Unable to change spacing before and after paragraph

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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I usually have no problem manipulating the distance before and after paragraphs, but I have attached a page that keeps giving me trouble.

 

What I'm trying to do is to decrease the distance between the points in the numbered list. Usually, I just decrease the space before the paragraph on the space after the paragraph above. But here even when I set every paragraph space setting that I can see to 0, the paragraphs do not move.

 

Is there something I'm missing here? Shouldn't it be possible - and simple - to move these paragraphs closer to each other?
(Please note I use grids)

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Adobe Community Professional , May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021
Hi @simon5CD0: It's a combination of two things: the large leading value on the SR Overskrift 2 paragraphs—12/36. Set it to 12/14 redefine style and remove overrides.  remove the overrides for the SR Brødtekst style as well.  Also note that once the overrides are removed, both are snapping to the baseline grid, which is going to force the paras to the next baseline grid with even a minor increase in spacing.  For full control over spacing, take them off the grid and again, redefine the st...

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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sorry the "on" in the middle should of course be "or"

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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You have set the leading for the SR Overskrift 2 style at 36 pt. If you decrease the value, you will be able to reduce the spaceCapture d’écran 2021-05-26 à 16.36.04.jpg

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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Thanks you!

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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Hi @simon5CD0:

 

It's a combination of two things:

  1. the large leading value on the SR Overskrift 2 paragraphs—12/36. Set it to 12/14 redefine style and remove overrides. 
  2. remove the overrides for the SR Brødtekst style as well. 

 

Also note that once the overrides are removed, both are snapping to the baseline grid, which is going to force the paras to the next baseline grid with even a minor increase in spacing.  For full control over spacing, take them off the grid and again, redefine the styles. 

 

~Barb 

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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Thanks again!
I had simply overlooked this and had looked at the issue for quite a while. This solves a problem I have many places throughout my book actually.

 

Just as a follow-up: Most places I do want the current space settings, so for cases like these pages where I want to diverge from my default, can I overwrite the style on a case-by-case basis instead of redefining the style generally? Usually, I'm able to do this with for instance increased paragraph spacing, and when I sync the book this overwrite isn't removed. But when I try to just change the leading value here it resets to the paragraph style value immediately. 

(I realize there's probably a reason why you suggest changing the paragraph style, I'm just curious as to if the leading values behave differently from paragraph spacing in terms of overwrites).



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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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I'd like to know also if the spacing after a table can be changed on a case-by-case basis? Again, I usually tweak the pages by changing the spacing through either paragraph spacing or text wrap. But when I select the table I can't see an option to do it that way.  

These things simply come up for me because I'm going through my book and trying to optimize page breaks etc. so the text looks as smooth as possible.

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May 26, 2021 May 26, 2021

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Hi @simon5CD0:

 

Here is my approach: I do not use overrides. If I have some paragraphs that need more space above and some that need less, then I have two paragraph styles. The first one is the parent style and the second one is based on the parent style with the modification. That will standardize your layout and will remove any issues with syncing a book.

 

As for the table spacing, you can override the spacing with Table > Table Options > Table Setup. But see my note on overrides above. 😀

 

~Barb

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May 27, 2021 May 27, 2021

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I tested it out and it works very easily for me. That's a good help!
It's a surprising thing though to me that so much can be overwritten but then the "leading" behaves differently. But the case is solved in so far as my practical needs. 

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