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Good morning,

in indesign 2019 there are controllers in the multimedia files menu. in indesign 2020 they are gone. where did they go?

this is not possible..... 

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Free InDesign script to give you back the controller menu in a dialog box: https://www.uvsar.com/blog/indesign-mediapanel-controller

 

The Media Panel might be borked, and Adobe on UserVoice shows no sign of wanting to do a thiing about it, but all the SWF helper files required for interactive PDF export, and Flash-native export, are still part of the ID2020 (15.0.2) installation - on Windows look in Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign 2020\Presets\multimedia. Once the controllerSkin / showController properties are set on a movie object, InDesign 2020 will embed the skin SWF into the PDF's Rich Media Annotation and it will work properly in Acrobat/Reader. The choices are saved in the INDD file just as they always were.

 

Adobe may have decided they now hate Flash, but they made it core to the PDF ISO 32000/EL3 specification for Rich Media, so until PDF/2.0 comes around and replaces it, they are stuck with supporting SWFs inside Acrobat. The InDesign and Acrobat programmers don't talk to one another about ISO standards, so we get borkage that Adobe then claims as "policy". It's nothing of the sort.

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where are the controllers????

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Good morning,

in indesign 2019 there are controllers in the multimedia files menu. in indesign 2020 they are gone. where did they go?

this is not possible..... 

Schermata 2020-02-12 alle 10.05.25.pngSchermata 2020-02-12 alle 10.07.00.png

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Correct answer by Dave Merchant | Most Valuable Participant

Free InDesign script to give you back the controller menu in a dialog box: https://www.uvsar.com/blog/indesign-mediapanel-controller

 

The Media Panel might be borked, and Adobe on UserVoice shows no sign of wanting to do a thiing about it, but all the SWF helper files required for interactive PDF export, and Flash-native export, are still part of the ID2020 (15.0.2) installation - on Windows look in Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign 2020\Presets\multimedia. Once the controllerSkin / showController properties are set on a movie object, InDesign 2020 will embed the skin SWF into the PDF's Rich Media Annotation and it will work properly in Acrobat/Reader. The choices are saved in the INDD file just as they always were.

 

Adobe may have decided they now hate Flash, but they made it core to the PDF ISO 32000/EL3 specification for Rich Media, so until PDF/2.0 comes around and replaces it, they are stuck with supporting SWFs inside Acrobat. The InDesign and Acrobat programmers don't talk to one another about ISO standards, so we get borkage that Adobe then claims as "policy". It's nothing of the sort.

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Moving to the InDesign forum from Get Started

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.... and this???...

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could not convert "10 cable glands.indd".

the IDML file conversion service is currently unavailable. Try again later.

 

What is going on?!?!?!?

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Hi Roberto,

instead of the Creative Cloud service that is converting your document you could simply export or save as IDML from InDesign 2020. Work on with the IDML file in CC 2019 then: Open the IDML file and save the converted document to a new name. Do not overwrite your existing 2020 document.

 

Now to the missing control:

The developers removed all things Flash related from InDesign 2020.

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/whats-new/2020.html#flash_format

 

FWIW: With that also another control was removed:

https://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601180-adobe-indesign-bugs/suggestions/39514030-restore-video-...

 

If you depend on this best work on with InDesign CC 2019.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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ok thank you Uwe, 

this however is not acceptable.
controllers are essential for viewing the video, this is very frustrating for me!

 

 

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If you mean Flash facilities option being removed from InDesign 2020, this is because Flash is an obsolete format.

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What format are you exporting to from InDesign?

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it will also be obsolete but it is the only one that gives the possibility for a pdf format to have an integrated video (without external links)

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Video in a PDF? Forget it.

It won't work without flash player installed on the machine it's being viewed on and then only with Acrobat or Reader. Third party PDF readers are a crapshoot and it won't work at all on mobile.

I wrote this four years ago. I stand by it today: https://www.boblevine.us/its-okay-to-say-no-to-interactive-pdf/

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Hi Uwe,

 

I wonder if the the controllers are still there, only removed from the UI? You might be able to set the controllerSkin from a script. 

 

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Even if they are, what good are they? They only worked with Flash.

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Hi Bob,

 

The customer wants to use them. Probably better going back to CC2019, as Uwe suggested.

 

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And then they'll be back to complain it doesn't work.

Oh well, if they want to go through all of this for next to nothing, then yes, they'll have to go back to 2019, but it's very important for them to understand the repercussions of using it to understand that it's obsolete and most of their audience won't be able to see it.

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You have three alternative format options to consider: FXL ePub, InDesign's Publish Online or in5 https://ajarproductions.com/pages/products/in5/

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Hi Roberto,

you could add the controls with Acrobat Pro DC. Just did this with a sample movie I placed on an InDesign page and exported to PDF Interactive. Think, that Flash Player must be installed to do this.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Flash player must be installed to add it and to view it.

Again, giant waste of time.

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