P: Improved Fuji X-Trans Support?

[pinkypunk35]

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

[Cicuryn]

Are you going to celebrate this anniversary somehow? 😄

[pinkypunk35]

I sit naked in my studio and burn my old copies of Lightroom; one for each year that passes by without a reply from Adobe. I am currently up to Lightroom 4 so still a few more to go until I burn my current copy rendering Lightroom completely gone from this place.

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

> Lightrooms inability to merge catalogs since they introduced Cloud. 

Do you have a link to the bug thread on that issue? It's not ringing a bell, but I may be looking for different phrasing.

[Rextilleon]

From the sad but true category--when Adobe reported quarterly earnings at the end of August, their profits skyrocketed.  Which probably partially explains their lack of action on Fuji raw files.  In other words, the base of Fuji shooters, and those who use Adobe Lightroom to develop their images is probably not worth the effort.   Anyhow, it appears as if there are several other players trying to take that very small portion of the LR community and thats a good thing!  

[StreathamHill]

Hi Victoria,

Here you go...

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/unable-to-merge-catalogs.36549/#post-1240750

I'm trying to find the threads on other forums that I read when I first encountered the problem.

[pinkypunk35]

Innovation down, support down and yet profits up. They have a monopoly right now and that speaks volumes for the way customers are treated. There's room in the market for smaller developers but it's hard with such a force the size of Adobe.

[StreathamHill]

Two more...

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2539851

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2407758

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Thanks Adam. If there isn't a thread here, start one. The engineers can't keep up with every forum on the web, but they do track things here.

[StreathamHill]

Sure...but those last two are Adobe's own forum! Surely they're monitoring that!?

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Technically the other one is just a user to user forum that's hosted by Adobe. There are support staff that post there occasionally, but issues can easily get lost in the volume of content, whereas this site is set up specifically to track bugs and feature requests and specialist staff monitor it for issues. So over there is a bit more potluck, whereas here gets in front of the right people.

[StreathamHill]

Thanks for clarifying that. Good to know for the future. Unless somebody else releases something suitable at which point I'll be off in a flash!

[Cicuryn]

This might be a tricky one. Imagine they will implement better Fuji RAW processing. Great, right?But what should happen really? Should it be applied only to newly added photos? Or should it be applied to the all pictures in the cloud you already edited and tuned (including noise, sharpening...) and mess them a little maybe?

I am all in for improvements, but this aspect of implementation should be part of this discussion.

[Lewis Craik]

I guess a change like that would have to be part of a new process version, so you would actively have to update old images.

[Cicuryn]

That would require an GUI changes like adding button or additional option to the right click menu just for Fuji .RAF files. 
And only for that one-time operation. Imagine you decide to apply that to all of your pictures. You probably go to All photos, filter just Fuji cameras, select all, right click, click something like "Process with new Fuji engine" and that would be pretty much it. And you will have this option inactive and greyed out and sitting there for the rest of the days 😄

[deejjjaaaa]

> That's a really stupid argument from DP Home

I read these whinings about Fuji demosaick for ages... Adobe Camera Raw team knows about demosaicking quality for X-Trans very well... so at this moment you need to vote with your wallet or suck it and wait, that's it... I personally simply use X-Transformer with ACR and CaptureOne based on what I want... I certainly keep Adobe products because I use other cameras

[deejjjaaaa]

> IF you don't understand that what are you doing here?

unlike your useless musings what drives the progress I simply move the progress with my wallet ($$$ -> C1) - feedback was provided to Adobe a lot... if they can't do it after all that time there is reason for that... it might be the issue of how their code is written (see stupid suggestions about using DCP profiles in C1 form people who have no clue how C1 works) or for example something similar to the reason related to Foveon & DNG (see ex Adobe's employee Zalman Stern public comment as to why - https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/22605268 ) or why Fuji film emulations are hardcoded inside the ACR/LR code and not publicly available as new .XMP profile-presets... 

[pinkypunk35]

So, once again, why are you even here? If you've moved away from Lightroom and feel forums are "useless" it begs the question why you're actively visiting and even posting around forums dedicated to the thing you find "useless"

[CMass]

Hi Everyone,

We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post:  https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

Cheers,
Carissa

[pinkypunk35]

OMG! They did it, they actually did it! 

[robertoo92400341]

OMG, I switch to Capture One already... But let give it a try.

[BoomeArt]

Well, finally they did it and I must admit, they did it very good. But...... what's wrong with color? How to shoot product photography if Camera RAW shows wrong colors.
Here are an example of the same RAF file opened in ACR and Iridient Developer 
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/MdQw/qAkGVpHYM
In Camera Raw everything is oversaturated and the color of the dress is wrong, while in Iridient it is correct.

[Cicuryn]

I just tried that. Applied Enhanced Details on the single x-trans picture on Core i7/GTX1070 machine. CPU utilization 3%, GPU 2%, RAM 84% (Only Lightroom CC takes 11 GB of RAM during processing Enhanced Details). It is 15 minutes now and still not done. This does not seems to be solution, I can not imagine processing more the one image like this.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I am seeing around 30 seconds on a Fuji test file. What camera's file are you trying?  It sounds like something else is going on with your system.

[Cicuryn]

Running just Lightroom after fresh restart, processing of that single photo still not done, it is gonna be around 30 minutes now 😮

[Cicuryn]

Sorry,  the camera model is Fuji X-T20, I forgot