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Lightroom: LR4 RC2 Differences in rendering in Library and Develop modules

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Explorer ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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The rendering of a photo in develop is sometimes less saturated than it is in library.

To reproduce:

Select a CR2 file in library with loupe view on a second monitor.
Switch to develop, the saturation decreases slightly.
Switch to library and the saturation increases slightly.
Switch back to develop and the saturation remains the same
Move the contrast to 10 and then back to 0 and the saturation decreases.

A sequence of screen shots shows the effect.

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LEGEND , May 29, 2012 May 29, 2012
It looks like this issue has now been resolved with the LR 4.1 release made generally available this evening. Thanks!

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Explorer ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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Neglected to mention that have negative cache turned off.

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LEGEND ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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Greg, can you start a fresh catalog with just this test image and repeat all the steps there?

That's to exclude preview cache contamination.

EDIT: ok, no need. I have reproduced it.

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Explorer ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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damn... and so have I... new catalog and all

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Explorer ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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me too Greg, hope this gets sorted quickly...

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Participant ,
Apr 28, 2012 Apr 28, 2012

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reproduced here and just to add the difference in saturation is seen in second monitor view while develop mode is open

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Explorer ,
Apr 29, 2012 Apr 29, 2012

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this morning i played around a bit and found a temporary solution, if you click back to Library from Develop the original color comes back and then if you click Develop again the colors won't fade...a pain in the butt, but it works for the meantime...

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Explorer ,
Apr 29, 2012 Apr 29, 2012

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Morris,
Thats what I saw too, but if I touch the contrast slider the colours fade (last step in the sequence to reproduce above).

Greg

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New Here ,
Apr 30, 2012 Apr 30, 2012

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IT seems that this is not only a problem of dual monitor view.

It happens on thumbnails and the navigator window too.

1. In Library mode all is fine
2. When selecting a new image and switch to develop mode
the thubmnail below changes color and contrast.
3. When moving the mouse over the thumbnail the preview image in the navigator window also shows wrong colors.







View differences:

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Explorer ,
Apr 30, 2012 Apr 30, 2012

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not good...I wonder when the final version will be released with this fixed?...

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Enthusiast ,
Apr 30, 2012 Apr 30, 2012

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This seems to be a color management problem: For testing, I set my single monitor to a "cycling" color profile that switches all colors, so you can identify non-color-managed applications (they show correct colors instead of the false switched colors).

I can see that when LR displays the thumbnail and navigator wrong, it seems to disable monitor-side color management alltogether because in my setup, the colors are correct (!) then, indicating that LR is sending the preview colors directly to the monitor without converting it into the monitor profile first.

That also means that with the normal monitor profile in place, you will hardly see the effect on a wide gamut monitor because the previews are in AdobeRGB, which is similar to the profile of the monitor. However, you see it quite clearly on a standard gamut monitor because of the difference between AdobeRGB and the sRGB-like monitor profile (saturation decreases because of the smaller AdobeRGB channel values, as described in the original post).

**EDIT**
Ok, here are three screenshots from my test just like mspler described. The monitor profile I used makes blue appear as red. The original picture I used to test shows blue in the upper half (blue sky). Note that screenshots are made without any color management, so you see in the screenshots the same basic colors as I see with my eyes on my monitor, however with different saturations depending on your individual color management setup (but saturation does not matter in this experiment).

First screenshot: A single image filtered for and selected in the library module with filmstrip shown, everything looks OK:



Second screenshot: Now entering development module. You can see that monitor-side color management is suddenly no longer used for the filmstrip thumbnail:



Third screenshot: Hovering over the filmsttip thumbnail: Monitor-side color managament is no longer used in the navigator, too:

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Enthusiast ,
Apr 30, 2012 Apr 30, 2012

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Just to make this complete: Disabled monitor-side color management seems also to be the cause for the wrong display of the secondary display in loupe mode. A fourth screenshot using the color-cycling profile illustrates that (just switched to development module here, navigator is not shown):



And it is consistent with the original description: Switching to library and back to develop will restore the color management temporarily for the secondary display. But any slider change in the develop module will disable it again.

Edit: The behaviour is also consistent when in other modes of the secondary display. For instance, in grid mode, it behaves the same as the filmstrip, i.e. all photos are correct except the one currently loaded in the develop module.

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LEGEND ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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I have the same problem here as I use my iPad (calibrated) with LR and my Mac Book Pro as a second monitor.

This problem was not there in Lightroom 3. But what I found in the help sections of Adobe was: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom...

Did Adobe stopped supporting Color Management for the Second Monitor - or is this only for the library and it should work in the Loupe of the Develop module?

And I can reproduce the color shifts not only with the Contrast Slider but with all sliders (White, Fill, Black ... ) I tested so far.

Frank

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Enthusiast ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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Quote from help: "Note: Lightroom does not color-manage the view of the Library module on the second monitor."

Seriously, that can't be true. An application aimed also (mainly?) at the professional market deliberately has no color management in some windows?

Also very strange: Why is the same remark in the manual of Lightroom 3, which apparently *does* color-manage the second monitor as Frank Werner already mentioned? And why is it color-managed in LR4 when the library module is active? Also, the remark applies only to the secondary display, and not to filmstrip or navigator.

Note: I did my tests only on a single monitor, with the main LR window and the secondary display window open on the same single monitor, and nevertheless the secondary window had no color management.

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Community Beginner ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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LR 4.1 RC2 for Mac

On a secondary monitor the color of an image shifts to a greenish tint in Loupe.

After selecting an image from the library, the image loads, color looks good and looks the same as the primary display. A second later the image changes color. You can toggle between develop and library on the primary display and the problem corrects until you toggle modes again. This behavior does not exist in 4.0.

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Adobe Employee ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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Nice find. Bug verified. And fixed!

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Enthusiast ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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Great!

Which leaves the question: Is the above mentioned remark in the LR manual ("Note: Lightroom does not color-manage the view of the Library module on the second monitor.") a mistake and should be deleted?

As I said, I cannot imagine that an Adobe product for serious image processing has no color management for some windows...

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Adobe Employee ,
May 01, 2012 May 01, 2012

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That might be an out-dated help content from previous versions of LR. Anyway I was able to reproduce the findings on this thread and forwarded it to my colleague who fixed it. The bug is a most recent breakage in 4.1 RC2.

-Simon

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New Here ,
May 02, 2012 May 02, 2012

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I'm glad I've found this thread that confirms my findings: Color Management is disabled on Monitor 2 on the Dev. module. Simple, there's nothing else, no saturation levels or anything else.
It has worked until 4.0 and I believe LR4.1 RC1, but I need to reinstall it to check.
I hope it gets fixed soon as it is making working impossible with RC2.

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New Here ,
May 09, 2012 May 09, 2012

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Does this bug also explain why images converted to black and white in CS5 then saved back to LR show as black and white in filmstrip in Develop module only when selected and then revert back to color when selecting a different image?

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New Here ,
May 09, 2012 May 09, 2012

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Just realized something else about black and white not showing correctly.

CR2 edited in PS CS5 using Silver Efex to convert to b/w
Saved and shows up as tiff in LR 4.1 rc 2
In Develop module: shows as black and white in filmstrip when selected; color when select other image
In Library module: only shows as color (grid/filmstrip and loupe views)
Switch back to Develop and shows in b/w in full view and same behavior as above in filmstrip

Only way to fix this is to render a 1:1 preview (tried rendering a standard first but said that it could not as the standard preview was up to date)

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Community Beginner ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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4.1 rc2 5d (DNG, Raw, Jpg) When I had the second monitor on I noticed picture looked slightly washed or maybe a .25 up on the exposure in second display in Develop ONLY. (with 2 monitors) Thought it was the monitor but no way. Switch to Library and it looks fine. Here is the strange thing. Go back to Develop and it does NOT change back to washed out...matched the main view. It also seems to change in the small preview monitor. I went back and reset all the defaults...nothing.

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LEGEND ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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When in develop mode, there are 3 "versions" of the currently edited image:
Big one, Navigator version, filmstrip version
The big one and the navigator version are always in sync but the one in the filmstrip appears to have pale colors.
Whenever I select another one from the filmstrip, the previously selected one then shows correct colors but now the newly selected one gets a little pale.

Will try to add an image that should show the effect well enough: The saturated blue sky, green grass and red roof of the big & navigator versions seem to be pale in the filmstrip version.

Images are RAWs from Nikon D60. I played around with the various on/off switches of the develop module to find out if there ́s some group of controls that get ignored for the filmstrip version but couldn ́t find one. Also killed the preview cache and started from scratch. None of both changed anything.
Running 4.1 RC2 on Win7 64bit

This does *not* happen in the Library module.
Bought Lr4 but haven ́t bothered installing it and went straight to 4.1RC2, so this has (so far) not been reproduced in another version.


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New Here ,
May 10, 2012 May 10, 2012

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Within the Develop module and when looking at the filmstrip, the image in the selected thumbnail seems to have the exposure decreased by 1/3 stop. When unselected, the image returns to its normal exposure. This is most readily seen with blue skies taking on a darker/purplish hue. This occurs with RAW files as well as TIFFs saved from CS5
Using LR 4.1 RC 2 and files from a Canon 50D.

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New Here ,
May 12, 2012 May 12, 2012

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I can confirm the same issue (the original issue discribed at the begining of the topic) with LR 4.1 RC2 on Mac OS X 10.7.4 now.

Bartek

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LEGEND ,
May 16, 2012 May 16, 2012

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I'm running LR4 RC2 on a dual monitor setup under Windows 7 x64.


When I load a .dng file in the develop module and zoom the image in the primary display to 1:1, my primary monitor correctly displays the image, but the image on the secondary monitor changes colour balance from it's initial load and no longer matches the colour balance of the primary monitor.


This results in two totally different colour balance views of the same image file while using the develop module with dual monitors.

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