cropped exported images

[karinr70603601]

When exporting my raw files to jpg the files are being cropped. I have not set any resizing options in the export settings. Files originally are 6960*4660 pixels. Exported jpg files are cropped to 6960*3904 pixels. Again I did not set any sizing options in export dialogue. When processing same files in ON1, exported files contain all the original pixels 6990*4660. Why is Lightroom cropping my images while I don't ask it to do so?

[karinr70603601]

I just found out that is has nothing to do with export but with export of images but with import. Lightroom crops the images according to camera settings. That is absolutely strange behaviour because raw processing should be what it says it to be: processing all the raw data. You don't want any camera prests to be applied to the raw file. Thats why we shoot and process raw files. ON1 does understand this far better then Adobe does,

[GoldingD]

What camera?

In /preferences/presets, what do you have for RAW defaults?

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/raw-defaults.html#:~:text=To%20set%20default%20settin....

And in camera, did you select something other than 3:2? (could be involved if above setting was setup to use in camera values)

[JohanElzenga]

I just found out that is has nothing to do with export but with export of images but with import. Lightroom crops the images according to camera settings. That is absolutely strange behaviour because raw processing should be what it says it to be: processing all the raw data. You don't want any camera prests to be applied to the raw file. Thats why we shoot and process raw files. ON1 does understand this far better then Adobe does,

By @karinr70603601

If you set a crop in camera, then it makes sense that Lightroom uses this crop. If you don't want that crop, then why did you set that crop in the camera? Cropping in Lightroom is an overlay only, however. All the raw data are still there. You can simply reset the crop to get the full sensor size again.

[karinr70603601]

I strongly disagree. That is not what raw peocessing is about.

[JohanElzenga]

I strongly disagree. That is not what raw peocessing is about.

By @karinr70603601

So enlighten me. What is raw processing all about?

[richardplondon]

(analogy): Raw does not have any pre-fixed White Balance. But when you have in-camera chosen a particular White Balance, or else when its AutoWB circuitry identifies a particular White Balance, this both affects the in-camera preview and also gets written to the Raw file as metadata. That metadata then is read in by LrC, which sets initial default processing accordingly, assuming that is "As Shot" for WB.

When a different aspect ratio is chosen in-camera than the native one, presumably because that is what one wants to see, that in effect becomes an "As Shot" crop so far as LrC is concerned. No impairment of the editability of the Raw, simply a user choice within the camera, influencing what particular initial processing treatment of the photo is seen.

It is not possible to display a Raw image without any particular WB at all, nor without any particular aspect ratio at all. LrC has to find something specific to use.

The environment where you control this 'something' is usually the Raw converter. Some processing defaults are settable there (such as, whether you want to see As Shot value, or something else, for the iniital WB). For those processing defaults where LrC will listen to camera suggestion, you can set things differently in the camera menu and that will change what result happens.

[JohanElzenga]

Exactly. Lightroom is still true to the raw data. Nothing has gone gone the way of a DoDo bird. Lightroom tries to help you however, by reading certain settings that your camera saved to metadata (like white balance and indeed crop), and applying these non destructively. The raw file isn't permanently cropped, it is just a non-destructive crop overlay that you can simply reset to the full image size if you changed your mind about what you set in camera.

[karinr70603601]

Lightroom is helping just like a boyscout is helping an old lady cross the street while she does not want to cross

[JohanElzenga]

Except that this would be an old lady who says she doesn't want to cross that street, but then holds a sign up saying she does want to cross (read: this old lady set cropping in the camera). Like I said before (but you never answered): why set a crop in your camera if you don't want to crop the images?

[richardplondon]

regardless of what the old lady secretly wants inside her head, if she is seen to be standing at a marked pedestrian crossing, then that is going to be taken as communicating an intention to cross. 

In-camera settings similarly show some intention. These settings are reflected irreversibly into all aspects of a camera JPG, and also conveyed provisionally (nondestructively) into some aspects of camera Raw conversion.

[karinr70603601]

Sorry for type. It has nothing do do with export but with import

[GoldingD]

You have missed a point about LrC Import of RAW files as it can currently occur. That being while LrC used to completely ignore any in camera settings (other than ISO, F stop, shutter speed)  LrC can (with user intervention) apply those in camera settings these days.

A point of view that LrC should be true to the RAW data, a purest viewpoint, has gone the way of a DoDo bird. 

That is why I asked about your LrC RAW Develop defaults. Can you verify that those are not set to camera? A screen capture can help.