Cumbersome syncing between LR Classic and LR

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Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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Because I want to share the best of our photocollection with my family members I want to sync my LR Classic collection (partly) with LR. As so far this has been an hour consuming, cumbersome activity.

First, every collection needs to be converted to a seperate catalog before import to LR. But this is not the worst. After importing in LR and syncing, I really need to clean up a mess in LR CC: sometimes copies of my pictures have been made and thrown in a new location "2021", which I have to undouble with the original photo (I exported as catalog ao with the aim to keep the original locations). Sometimes a virtual copy has been made, I have no clue for what reason. And now, since I use the mask function in LR more and more, I need for every picture to rebuild the masks in LR CC after syncing.

Once LR was a wunderful package. But it seems that an unclear "cloud strategy" of Adobe has introduced a lot of problems not to say maltreatment of LR CC (I do not mention de sync problems itself I have, ao  LR being constantly in "still syncing 2 photos mode").

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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I must be getting something wrong ... or why are you exporting catalogs?

If you want to share a collection from LrC, simply set them to be synced. This automatically makes it available in LR.

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Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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And btw. ... there is no LR CC. 

There is Lightroom Classic (the well known, "old", local photos and catalog based), and

there is Lightroom (no catalog, photos in cloud).

 

Here how to reset syncing: https://lightroomkillertips.com/sync-stuck/

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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You totally misunderstand how to do this. Syncing between Lightroom Classic and Lightroom cloud is actually very easy. You do not need to export anything. All you need to do is enable sync in Lightroom Classic. Then you can choose to sync one or more collections from Lightroom Classic to the cloud. These collections will become albums in Lightroom cloud. That is all there is to it.

 

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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No I do not misunderstand this at all! The way you suggest will only put previews in the Cloud, not the original files. So my family members can only use previews. So be careful with statements like this!

Is there anybody who really can be of help here?

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Jan 12, 2022 Jan 12, 2022

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What is your desired published photo scope?

 

Do you:

 

  • Want to just share the photos on the web for audience to view on computer, smart phone, or iPad, etc?
  • Want to share the photos so that the audience can print them, either at home or via a print provider?
  • Want to share the photos so that the audience can edit them in their own post processing software?
  • All the above?

 

And do you want:

 

  • Every photo in your catalog to be available
  • Just some photos to be available

 

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 13, 2022 Jan 13, 2022

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Then you need to tell us exactly what your needs are, in the first place.

No one usually shares originals, since when working with RAW, they are not developed and not what one wants to share. I also don't see why full size should be shared, except for very rare cases.

 

.... and you may have to rethink your attitude if you try to get help here ... We are all users like you ....

 

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 13, 2022 Jan 13, 2022

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@PaulR10 wrote:

No I do not misunderstand this at all! The way you suggest will only put previews in the Cloud, not the original files. So my family members can only use previews. So be careful with statements like this!

Is there anybody who really can be of help here?

 

If your family members really need originals (why?), then do the following. Sync the images you want to share from Lightroom Classic. Then start Lightroom (cloud) and import these images (from the location where LrC stored them, do not copy them). Lightroom will replace the smart previews by originals. Everything will remain in sync.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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"...to share the best of our photo collection with my family members..."

Have you tested the quality of images that you do share from a Classic Collection.

Although they go to the Cloud Albums as Proxy files with a long edge of 2560px, they are quite suitable for screen viewing on monitors and mobile devices. They download at 2048 pixels long edge which can make 8x10inch prints at 200ppi.

Check 3 images in my sample shared album for viewable quality-  https://adobe.ly/2LcgALI

Unless your family need full-size files for a specific reason, the Classic > Cloud sync is mostly quite sufficient.

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And- You can only Sync ONE Classic catalog to the Cloud. You can swap to another, but that is problematic.

 

 

Regards. My System: Lr-Classic 11.3.1 Photoshop 23.3.2, ACR 14.3, Lightroom 5.3, Lr-iOS 7.0.2, Bridge 12.0.2, Windows-10.

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Jan 13, 2022 Jan 13, 2022

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Thanks for these inputs which I think are really helpful. First, I was not aware of the difference between "ordinary previews" and smart previews. Since my family members possibly want to make prints, my take was that preview quality would be below standard, but may be the smart previews will be good enough. Btw I haven't  invented this (indeed) ugly workaround, it is adviced by LR specialists on the Internet, so I am really happy if this appears not to be necessary at all!

Mr McLion with regard to your "behavior" remark:

1) Let me be clear that my comment on Adobe is driven by the fact that in my eyes Adobe has neglected LR classic a bit, and I am not the only one, but at the end of the day, my worry/ frustration  stems from being very passionate about the Adobe products.

2) The reply on my question, having invested a lot time in this syncing flaw (sorry, I still think it is) seemed quite blunt to me. And I am sorry, but  if someone undersigns with "Adobe professional" I do not immediately understand he is a co-user trying to help.

 

Anyhow, many thanks for all input Paul.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 13, 2022 Jan 13, 2022

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Quote you stated “Adobe professional”

There are no Adobe Professionals posting in the forum some of the users are known as Adobe Community Professionals. You can click on the Avatar to see more info on the person responding.

Adobe staff will have an appropriate designation.

Regards, Denis: iMac mid-2015, 5K 27”, GPU 2GB, Ram 24GB, HDD 3TB, macOS 11.6.5,; LrC 11.4, Lr 5.4, Ps 23.3.2-ACR 14.4,; Camera OM-D E-M1.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 13, 2022 Jan 13, 2022

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+ With more emphasis on the "Community" !    Adobe Community Professional.

A title given to (Lightroom knowledgable) volunteers who frequently assist with questions in these forums.

 

Regards. My System: Lr-Classic 11.3.1 Photoshop 23.3.2, ACR 14.3, Lightroom 5.3, Lr-iOS 7.0.2, Bridge 12.0.2, Windows-10.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 14, 2022 Jan 14, 2022

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Just to introduce another point of view: Adobe offers several alternative 'paradigms' to satisfy different preferences on how and where image and image library data is to be managed..

 

IMO it is wiser and more robust to accept all the strengths and weaknesses of, and to wholeheartedly commit to, ONE of these paradigms. The others do follow radically different approaches behind the scenes, however similar the editing features on the surface, and no matter what channels there may be to pass infomation between these.

 

So one should not IMO rely on partnering these gracefully however wanted. One should expect some unanticipated 'catches' to negotiate. Analogy: it would be physically possible to connect a car to a carriage, instead of harnessing up a horse to that. The car has got a towing point and the carriage has the means to be towed. But the design aims and development of the car, and the design aims and development of the cart. did not include for making that particular combination work well. It may prove unacceptably problematic in practice.

 

Lr Classic can sync image versions perfectly well to cloud, but if one's expectations are to then treat those as viewable galleries (say); or to involve only Lr Mobile - as distinct from full Lightroom - then a much easier life will IMO ensue.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 14, 2022 Jan 14, 2022

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For sharing with family I would not use Adobe's cloud gallery sharing thing. It is really not very good for this purpose. You want to use a solution like zenfolio, smugmug, flickr, etc. all of which have very nice publish service plugins in Lightroom Classic. Even things like Apple's iCloud or Microsoft photos, google photos, amazon photos, etc. works better if your family wants to be able to download jpegs they can print etc but those are harder to maintain as you need an export step in between but it is still better for your family with respect to interface. Nobody outside of you can do much with the full originals since they won't render correctly in anything but Adobe apps so just simple jpegs is what you want anyway. Adobe's cloud thing is easy for a quick one-off gallery share and simple 2560 pixel jpeg image download (more than good enough for prints by the way) but it really doesn't work well for big shared libraries of images and any type of hierarchy applied to them. You really want to use something more suited for the task for that.

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Jan 15, 2022 Jan 15, 2022

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This is actually the heart of the matter. I did use the FlickR and the LR Classic sync feature for many years. But I stopped it for the following reasons:

1) Me and my familly members were not very enthousiastic about the messy and sometimes slow userinterface of FlickR. Now they run LR apps on their devices and find it a far better environment to scroll and watch our collection. It seemed such a logic architecture to me: Running LR Classic as a kind of central "engine", enabling the other users with their (easier to use and more modern GUI) LR apps as "sattelites". And Adobe apparantly agrees on this offering LR Classic and LR in one package deal!

2) But, part of this package deal is the obligation to take off Adobe cloud storage space. So why then paying extra money to an other cloud service provider? On top of this, having all in one integrated (Adobe) environment seemed the ultimate solution (I guess Adobe cannot be against this).

And this is my frustration/ BIG disappoitment: As you say Jao, and I fully agree, the LR/ Flick-R sync feature is excellent. Exhange of originals, tags, edits, either way, worked flawlessly, No complicated pictures with arrows  "previews UP, Full size down, etc." as above in this thread. And again, already almost 10 years ago, it worked flawlessly (I neither had syncing errors as I have now) and this notably with an EXTERNAL service provider.

So I did expect, and I am really flabbergasted, that Adobe, almost 10 years later, would be able to repeat this within its OWN ENVIRONMENT. But nothing seems less true.

May be my  remarks on Adobe's Cloud strategy, in my first post are clearer now. All in all I think Adobe has not thought through very well and/ or badly implementerd its Cloud strategy.

 

ps: It is not my intention to put my full collection in the Cloud, just the ("3 star and more") best part of it.

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 15, 2022 Jan 15, 2022

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May be my  remarks on Adobe's Cloud strategy, in my first post are clearer now. All in all I think Adobe has not thought through very well and/ or badly implementerd its Cloud strategy.

 

 

It's not the case that Adobe "has not thought through its Cloud strategy", it's more a case of their strategy not being to everyone's liking (especially Lr Classic users). But as Adobe has shown no sign of changing the way that Classic interfaces with their Cloud, I for one have long since stopped whinging about it and instead have put much personal time and effort into understanding the Classic sync limitations and to figuring out how to go "off strategy" if needed. Others, such as Johan, have done the same, and we've spent countless hours over the last 4+ years explaining to other users how to avoid the pitfalls that might arise through going off strategy. 

 

Johan has already explained in this thread one way of getting originals into the cloud from a Classic base, and that method would have avoided the mess that ensued when you tried to do it your way (and would have been a lot simpler). There are other ways as well, but you need to decide if you need/want originals in the cloud (as well as in the Classic catalog), or are happy with using Smart Previews.

 

We are more that happy to help if you need it. 

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Jan 15, 2022 Jan 15, 2022

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Jim,

Interesting how not applying already developed technology and so annoying your current customers can be "a well thought strategy". But anyway, I agree being just a simple customer I am afraid I have to obey almighty Adobe's unscrutable decisions. So your efforts are very helpful and indeed for me it comes down to deciding either yet uploading previews or using Johan's workaround. And may be there comes a day there will be an alternative for LR.....

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I wasn't implying that it was a "well thought strategy"....and certainly it might not appear to be from the perspective of some Classic users. But they probably would have little idea of the technical issues (and costs) involved in trying to shoehorn a cloud syncing capability into a much older software base. I think it would be wrong to think that Adobe has not given a lot of thought to the implications of their decisions in this area. 

 

But if you are unhappy at the resulting product direction, there are alternatives available which Jao has already mentioned.

  

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Yes and that is the part which is hard for me to understand, if well functioning technology was already in place to do the job with a third party, almost 10 years ago. And, then coming back on strategy:  Why it looks as if Adobe is not prepared to invest in the LR Classic technology base anymore.?  I.e. I encounter also problems running face recogtition in LR Classic, whereas it already functioned smoothly in my Elements of 2004??

But anyhow, let's indeed assume that in spite of  Adobe's customer centric attitude, this all unfortenately was not possible.

 

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Jan 15, 2022 Jan 15, 2022

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I.e was meant e.g.

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Yes and that is the part which is hard for me to understand, if well functioning technology was already in place to do the job with a third party, almost 10 years ago.

 

 

Can you explain what "well functioning technology" you are referring to?

 

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And, then coming back on strategy:  Why it looks as if Adobe is not prepared to invest in the LR Classic technology base anymore.? 

 

I don't understand....LrClassic has received many many updates since it moved to the new regular 2-3 month update cycle in 2017, so to say that Adobe are no longer investing in LrC is rather inaccurate. Here's a list of changes since Lightroom 6 (as at 12 months ago, so it doesn't include last years changes, including the major Mask implementation in October): https://www.lightroomqueen.com/whats-new-lightroom-classic-since-version-6/

 

Of course, if your favourite feature hasn't seen much change then you might think nothing's happening....but that would be so wrong.

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Jan 16, 2022 Jan 16, 2022

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Jim,

What I mean with "well-functioning techbology" is the, as I earlier mentioned, the well functioning (either way), syncing feature between LR Classic and Flick-R. So what I tried to point out is that the LR Classic cloud syncing capability is already in place for many years! So  the "shoehorning to the older LR Classic technology " as you mentioned has already been done, years ago. And it runs excellent with the FlickR webservice, and as I learn also with other webservices. The only webservice which apparently is problematic in this respect is Adobe's OWN webservice. Is'n it ridiculous?

Good to read that Adobe has still a lot invested (BTW, I wrote"it seems as if "), but I referred to the older technology you mentioned. If that would be the problem, and I don't think it is, that would raise that question.

I really hope that Adobe will continue with LR Classic and all its great features.

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Jan 16, 2022 Jan 16, 2022

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Apples and oranges. Syncing to Flickr is one way, from Lightroom to Flickr only. And it syncs RGB images, not raw images with metadata edits, which allows to sync edit changes without having to sync the image again.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Apples and oranges.

 

Exactly, Johan. Publishing to Flickr is basically an Export function with an automatic uploader on the back end (which thus requires the process to be redone whenever any changes are made to already published images). It is also almost exclusively a one-way process. It in no way resembles the far more complex real-time syncing function that allows all synced images, all edits to those images, and most metadata changes to the images to be possible from all connected clients, both on the desktop and multiple mobile devices, with automatic real-time syncing of those changes to the cloud server, which are thus immediately available on any other connected device on next launch. The album-sharing functionality was a later addition, and leverages the fact that "re-publishing" is never needed when changes are made, and is slowly being improved with the introduction of the client proofing tech preview and the newer collaborative editing function. Whilst there are still further improvements to hopefully arrive, I already find the current album-sharing system to be superior in most ways to the Flickr publish service (which I stopped using as soon as the cloud album sharing became available), but of course YMMV.

 

So no, the existing cloud syncing technology was never a part of the Lightroom publish services, it was not introduced until around 2015.

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Jan 16, 2022 Jan 16, 2022

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Well, a lot of good news then: Adobe still investing a lot in LR Classic and doing all which is technical possible.

 

I agree with you Jim, and as said earlier, IMO LR is a fine tool for sharing, im my case with my  family members. You stated you upload you JPEG's; does that  implicitly mean you don't do that with you RAW files (if you have any)? In case you have, do you have any experience with uploading your RAW files (especially in combination with edits made before and after)?

 

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