[Locked] - There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering . Are you happy about this ?

Report · Oct 18, 2017

"Lightroom 6 is the last stand-alone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering. Lightroom 6 will remain for sale for an undetermined amount of time, but will no longer be updated with camera support or bug fixes after the end of 2017. Lightroom 6.13 with support for the Nikon D850 will be released on October 26th, 2017"

Adobe’s new version of Lightroom lets you resume editing anywhere - The Verge

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Report · Oct 29, 2017

Please stop being offensive.

You talk about fake news and respond with links to people who made a business from Lightroom (book, website, ...) and expect unbiased news? Fake news is easy to falsify whereas relying on biased information and realizing it years too late is really bad.

On the one hand there are talks how cheap the subscription is, on the other hand the argument is presented that Adobe doesn't make enough money out of the perpetual license. One could think that Adobe earns less per user with the subscription, for being so cheap (as the users say) and providing more benefits. Why is Adobe doing that? Because Adobe wants to lead the customers into a long time relationship where they can't change the product easily.

Renewing the subscription is only possible as long as the software is provided as a service. I don't think that Lightroom Classic CC will be availiable in 10-15 years if they don't offer a perpetual license in addition. Then users will realize that all the work they put into Develop will not be accessible any longer.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

If a dose of reality offends you, so be it. There is nothing I could cite that you would accept. Not even this: "With Lightroom 5.5, at the end of a membership, the desktop application will continue to launch and provide access to the photographs managed within Lightroom as well as the Slideshow, Web, Book or Print creations that we know many photographers painstakingly create. The Develop and Map modules have been disabled in order to signal the end of the membership and the need to renew in order to receive Adobe’s continuous innovation in those areas. Access to Lightroom mobile workflows will also cease to function." From Adobe http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/07/what-happens-to-lightroom-after-my-membership-ends.h... or this, also from Adobe https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/i-havent-yet-upgraded-from-cs6-to-cc-i-assume.... But it comes from people who make a living from Lightroom (Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging, e.g.)

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Thanks for your many clarifications -- but please note that this doesn't make me love Adobe's plans. After may years of buying LR upgrades, for the next few years I'll stick with LR6 and look for alternatives. To illustrate in another way: There is no way I'll be building a house on a rented foundation, nor am I willing to share my house with anyone except on my terms. Adobe lost me as a loyal customer until they fix this.

Now, you might say "it's not as bad as that" but I don't have any confidence that it won't get worse. I'll keep my options open.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

So you will only share your house on YOUR terms. Are you willing to guarantee to someone that your terms will NEVER change regardless of what happens in the future. Always the same rent or whatever? Always the same utility payments regardless of what happens in the future? Even 20 years into the future, you are willing to guarantee that your terms will never change. Right?

Report · Oct 29, 2017

"No change" makes no sense. Of all things, only change is eternal; and at every point we choose what to do, taking care not to end up in a hostage situation. My point was exactly the opposite: I'll preserve my freedom to change.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

But you seem to be asking Adobe NOT to change. And you don't seem to be willing to change your thinking along with them. Really, the subscription plan really is a bargain. Lightroom Classic CC is a good program. It's still folder based, on your PC or Mac, has excellent features. It has been around for a number of years and Adobe hasn't raised the price on it yet. If you're still fighting it on the principle of the thing it's about like fighting the idea of leasing a car. Okay, fight it. But it's a losing battle.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Adobe is a profit seeking company, and that's fair. They change what they do all of the time. However, their current idea is to get customers on a path which doesn't lead where I want to go, despite "starting at $9.99/month" claims. Let me explain as simple as I can.

If I was buying was regular monthly subscription for something that is mostly stateless, like Internet service, that would be fine. However, there is almost 4 TB of state associated with my photos, and monthly subscription model does not work for me because it gives Adobe too much power over my choices. Now, Adobe can choose to go that way anyway, and I can choose to find alternative vendors willing to take me where *I* want to go. That's also fair.

Adobe's latest business change is clearly a profit seeking move: get people hooked, make leaving too painful to contemplate. Not helpful to me or many other customers like me, but hey, bless their corporate hearts and let them make profits where they may.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Now, Adobe can choose to go that way anyway, and I can choose to find alternative vendors willing to take me where I want to go. That's also fair.

It is fair, and you keep saying that. Yet you're still here . Which alternative software are you going to adopt? And when?

Report · Oct 29, 2017

I, from previous post, already have jumped ship and the

alternative I have adopted is DxO PhotoLab for my RAW

processing (which is every bit as good as what Adobe does

with ACR, at least with Nikon and have spent several hours comparing)

and Affinity Photo as my mop up app as opposed to Photoshop.

AP isn't Photoshop, but is quite a strong contender.

And both of these I can use at full function for as long as

computers and operating systems will run them. No monthly

payments. No attachment to any "cloud" whatsoever!

Report · Oct 29, 2017

I, from previous post, already have jumped ship and the alternative I have adopted is DxO PhotoLab for my RAW

processing (which is every bit as good as what Adobe does with ACR, at least with Nikon and have spent several hours comparing) and Affinity Photo as my mop up app as opposed to Photoshop. AP isn't Photoshop, but is quite a strong contender.

Glad you found a satisfactory solution. What cataloguing software are you using?

And again I ask, now that you have "jumped ship," what is your purpose for posting in this forum, which is a help forum for Lightroom users? You don't want to come across looking like a troll!

Report · Oct 29, 2017

My apologies for posting under two user IDs, davidei and dewisant. This may blow some minds in this forum in particular, but I have two subscriptions to Adobe CC: Full, all apps and Photography Plan. And it is advisable for each subscription to be under a separate account. Posting from either of two MacBook Pros I'm davidei; on either of two iMacs I'm dewisant. My real name is David Illig and I live in Gambrills, Maryland.

http://www.primordial-light.com and http://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Thanks for your many clarifications -- but please note that this doesn't make me love Adobe's plans...

Now, you might say "it's not as bad as that" but I don't have any confidence that it won't get worse. I'll keep my options open.

Makes sense for you, but it makes me wonder why you are still an Adobe customer. If I disliked the subscription model and if I had no confidence in Adobe, I would switch to alternative software in the blink of an eye. And I wouldn't be in this forum complaining about Adobe. This brings me around to why I adopted Lr in the first place. Even though I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Mac-head I saw the handwriting on the wall for Aperture well in advance and I bought Lr when it was first announced. I was 98% migrated before Aperture was discontinued. In other words, I didn't have any confidence in Apple as a developer of professional graphics software and I jumped ship. I cannot understand why the complainers in this forum don't do the same with Adobe instead of wasting their time on the forum.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Why am I still Adobe customer? Because I kept on buying LR upgrades all along, and still own LR6. It's a good product.

Why am I complaining? Because they are discontinuing the kind of LR I'm willing to buy, and trying to get me hooked on Adobe. That would not be prudent.

Why am I wasting time on this forum? Because this topic asked the question. Adobe never asked me whether I wanted a SaaS model, so this is my opportunity to point out what's wrong with it in this instance.

Why don't I jump ship? It's work, but that's exactly what I've been saying. There are many good alternatives to Adobe, such as Capture One Pro, Iridient, Nik, Affinity Photo, etc. There are also open source alternatives, such as GIMP and a number of image management solutions for Linux. Finally, LR was a convenient solution to get a job done without writing my own software, but if I have to, I can. Developing code is a nice hobby and an opportunity to engage with a community of like-minded people.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

Why am I wasting time on this forum? Because this topic asked the question. Adobe never asked me whether I wanted a SaaS model, so this is my opportunity to point out what's wrong with it in this instance.

Yes, yes, quite obvious, but what is not obvious is what you hope to achieve with your posts in this thread beyond letting off steam, and how much steam do you have? Adobe has heard all of this before (from a relatively small percentage of users). Do you think that there is a chance that Adobe will change its business model based on the complaints in this thread? There are 167 replies in this thread as of this writing, but that doesn't depict the number of persons complaining, which is small. It's just that the complainers are posting the same complaint over and over again.

Why don't I jump ship? It's work, but that's exactly what I've been saying. There are many good alternatives to Adobe, such as Capture One Pro, Iridient, Nik, Affinity Photo, etc. There are also open source alternatives, such as GIMP and a number of image management solutions for Linux.

Of the software you named only Capture One Pro is a high-end alternative to Lightroom. The others are Photoshop wannabes that may be suited to those who can't afford Photoshop CC or who are willing to spite themselves by not subscribing on principle. Capture One Pro is very different from Lightroom in its file handling if you use the recommended subject/project-based "sessions" feature. It's a top-level application, to be sure, but a difficult transition for most Lr users. It's available by subscription and by purchase. How long do you think the purchase option will last as Phase One sees the subscription model working well for Adobe?

Finally, LR was a convenient solution to get a job done without writing my own software, but if I have to, I can. Developing code is a nice hobby and an opportunity to engage with a community of like-minded people.

You have the ability to author a Lightroom-like application from scratch? As one who quit programming after learning interpreted BASIC, I'm genuinely impressed. You understand, don't you, that when you "engage with a community of like-minded people" you will come under attack from three fourths of them over decisions you have made, just as Adobe is under attack in this thread.

OT Helpful Hint: If you can find the old book "The Mac is Not a Typewriter" It will explain why savvy writers use only one space between sentences.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

I take it that you don't want to hear from me. Fine. I've said what I had to say.

Report · Oct 29, 2017

I'm sorry that you got that impression. But you have spoken your piece with sufficient frequency to get your opinion across

Report · Oct 27, 2017

Read the LR CC user's post above: "It's not exclusively cloud storage, but every image you edit has to [be] uploaded to the cloud even if [the disk space] slider is set to 100%." As a rule, I refuse to upload any of my images, except the ones I choose to upload.

Report · Oct 27, 2017

josipl80537037 wrote
Read the LR CC user's post above: "It's not exclusively cloud storage, but every image you edit has to [be] uploaded to the cloud even if [the disk space] slider is set to 100%." As a rule, I refuse to upload any of my images, except the ones I choose to upload.

That might be true with Lightroom CC. But we're talking about Lightroom Classic CC. It is STILL the same desktop application, catalog-based, folder-based as it always has been. Images in folders on local hard drives. The user chooses which images (if any) are put in collections that are chosen (if any) to be shared online. Lightroom Classic CC is NOT a program that ties you into the cloud in any way. The new Lightroom CC is different. There are two programs now. Started the new programs and learn how to differentiate before you start drawing incorrect conclusions.

Report · Oct 27, 2017

Bad marketing. Neither of the two programs fits my needs. If LR6 is the end of the line, so be it.

Report · Oct 27, 2017

That's fine. But don't spread false information because you don't understand what the programs are all about and how they really function.

Report · Oct 27, 2017

Bad marketing said that LR standalone product was being phased out ("no LR7").

Report · Oct 27, 2017

Yes. However, no Lightroom 7 doesn't mean that everything has to go to the cloud. The user just has to be more aware of the options available.

Report · Oct 27, 2017

More detailed discussion: Adobe unveils all-new cloud-based Lightroom CC, rebrands old application 'Lightroom Classic': Digita...

Let's unpack what it says: rebranding to "LR Classic CC" promises to fix slow legacy code at the price of monthly subscription. Admirable, but note the change in licensing model. Instead of buying upgrades when justified, now there is a monthly fee, whether or not you feel that's justified.

Report · Oct 28, 2017

Let's unpack it further. Strip off the melodrama and we're left with "Adobe's Creative Cloud products are available by subscription." But we already know that, so what's the point?

Report · Oct 27, 2017

Simple answer to the question, "...Are you happy about this?" - No.