More retouch abilities in LR

[fionngrosse]

It would be very practical if there were more functions for retouching. Such as selecting dark circles under the eyes with intelligent masks. But also functions that go even further, such as correcting double chins. Or the company Retouch4Me offers wonderful functions such as making the skin more matt, giving the face more volume, recognising and correcting skin blemishes, making the skin and clothing smoother. All these features embedded directly in Lightroom would be really powerful.

I realise that Lightroom wants to focus on image editing, but a few sliders like "more volume in the face", "fewer wrinkles in clothing", "more matte skin, fewer reflections" would make the program much better without adding too much bloat. For landscape photography, there are already functions such as "Dynamics" and "Remove haze".

It would be great if you could generally improve the appearance of portraits with just a few clicks directly in Lightroom.

[Keith Reeder]

"would make the program much better without adding too much bloat." 

It would be 100% bloat for all the landscape, bird, wildlife, motoe sports, aviation, macroc - etc. - LightRoom users.

"For landscape photography, there are already functions such as "Dynamics" and "Remove haze".

They're of use to way more than just landscape shooters. I'm a bird/wildlife guy, and I use Dehaze on just about every image - and it's great on the rugby, motor sport and aviation pictures I take, too.

Point is - I get the appeal to you of what you're asking for,  but it's really niche, and moves Lr in a direction it's patently not planned to move in.

(I've written this because there's - stupidly - no "downvote" button: why Adobe/the forum administrators are of the ridiculous impression that people only ever want to upvote or ignore an idea - the only two options available - utterly baffles me. It's ridiculous on its face.)

[richardplondon]

I propose for this sort of issue, a universal adjustment powered by AI.

This would consist of a standard slider with a range from 50% to 200%, defaulting to 100% (no change) - and above this, a text entry box.

Thus you could type in "well maintained" and the appearance of a garden, or a house exterior, or even an elderly relative, would accordingly be varied between degraded / immaculate, depending on the circumstance and on the client's aims for the photo.

Baby photographers could instead type in "resembling Winston Churchill" and the same slider would then adjust the image in that respect - ranging from half as much, to twice as much. Obviously ALL resemblance to Winston Churchill could never be eliminated, so I think the proposed adjustment range is a reasonable one.

Please understand: I am not the "how" guy for any of this. Also, I am purely kidding around here!

[fionngrosse]

then just dont use the tools... I dont use the "book", "web" or other tools which LR provides, but I appreciate the joy others have using it.

and let me add: I dont think that portrait photography is a "really niche"... People photographers, my humble guess, would love portrait enhancing function like retouch4me, Anthropics PortraitPro and other softwares are providing. 

[GoldingD]

Anthropics PortraitPro

[GoldingD]

My first reply, was of course indicating existing Software to do such things. And yes, I would dearly like a vote down button. But an afterthought...

Does anything like what the author is suggesting exist in Photoshop? If so, then Adobe already has some tech experience in such that could perhaps migrate over as many features first showing up in PS eventually show up in LrC.

[fionngrosse]

yes, some of the tech is already available in photoshop. 

[Conrad_C]

There’s nothing wrong with requesting it (although formal feature requests should be submitted over in the Ideas section of this community, where Adobe can attach a development status if they start working on it), but one thing should be kept in mind when comparing this to Photoshop.

Photoshop is a traditional pixel editor, and Lightroom Classic / Lightroom / Camera Raw are raw processors first. The fact that they are raw processors means every adjustment takes more computing power than in Photoshop, because to keep the edits nondestructive, they have to be optimized in a way that they don’t take too long to re-process through the raw-to-preview pipeline every time you change a setting. Photoshop is like other traditional photo editors in that it’s editing an image that’s already demosaiced to channels with pixels (such as RGB), and the retouch features produce rendered pixels, so the computing load in Photoshop is a lot lighter.

This helps explain why some features such as the healing/cloning tools work much faster and look better in Photoshop, why adding more of those edits to a image doesn’t slow down as much in Photoshop, and why the fancier features like Face-Aware Liquify, the portrait-oriented Neural Filters, and such are still only in Photoshop and not yet in any of the Adobe raw editors.

So maybe adding portrait features to Lightroom is a good idea, but compared to Photoshop and other portrait software, the same features may take a lot more work to implement in the Adobe raw processors. And, Adobe has to decide that new portrait features are more important than the other new features they are developing. Which could happen if this feature request is submitted and gets a lot of votes and discussion in the Ideas section. You can get a sense of what other priorities are in play, and what portrait features are competing with, by looking at the feature request vote rank in the Ideas section.

[fionngrosse]

thanks a lot for those insights. Maybe its possible to create a new tab in LR where adobe can implement those retouch functions on rasterized files. The workflow on PS is just annoying: open one photo, edit it, open another photo without the function of copying all the adjustments... A Lightroom for rasterized images would be perfectly okay 🙂

[DS256]

I guess your question is a natural progression of what commercial photographers have done from days of analog. Back then they were doing sky replacements and changing the form of models in the darkroom. Digital made that easier. AI is making it even easier.

However, you seem more interested in creating digital art from a photographer rather than maintaining the integrity of objects which make a photograph. Just my opinion.

"...would make the program much better without adding too much bloat." I don't know how you determined this but I see this as a huge bloat to the point of potentially round triping the image to an Adobe backend server.  The AI for some of this, like double chin removal, I see as very heavy lifting.

I think some of things you are looking to do can be done in Adobe Photoshop today just not as a single click if you are so inclinded to learn more about it's editting.

It sounds like you may want to review your workflow and incorparate other tools such as Retouch4Me.