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P: Edited Mavic 3 Drone Photos changed automatically to washed out photos - version 13.1

Explorer ,
Dec 25, 2023 Dec 25, 2023

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Hi guys,

 

I have updated my lightroom classic to the version of 13.1. Now I started editing and realized that all my drone shots of the last years changed their look without me editing or changing something in the settings of the edit. They now look washed out, way brigther and it feels like the yellowish tones faded out and disappeared. All my normal camera photos are not effected of that.


I can see it even live, how lightroom is changing the photos. For example: I click on one photos which looks as contrasty and ready as I edited it. Preview looks fine. If I go into the Edit-Tab, it takes quiet some time till the photos is shown again (something is obviously processed) and then the photo is as explained above: Brigther, washed out and colorless. 

 

I have no clue what happenes here, but if anybody of you has the same issue and a fix, I would be more than greatful. 


I also asked some friends of mine and some of them are experiencing the same issues with their drone photos. This is not a singular specific problem at my computer (MacOS Ventura). 


Thanks in advance and greetings,

Sebastian 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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Does the History panel not give you any clues?

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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No, the history panel has no changes compared to the edit I already did. As said: No changes at all done. Looks kind of like adobe lightroom added another (new) color profile or lens profile to all Mavic 3 images. I heard several friends who are having the same issue with their Mavic 3 files which were already edited. 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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What Profile did you apply? An Adobe standard one, or a camera matching one? Did LrC change that?

 

I see in the wright up for LrC v1`3.2 that several cameras for Drones were added. And while your camera would not be one of the additions, perhaps Adobe did accomplish some unfortunate tweaking in their standard profile.

 

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

 

Perhaps Adobe fixed something that was not broke, but now is broke. Typically this would be in the Adobe Standard profile, not so much in Camera matching profiles.

 

Also, what Drone? what lens? In the added lenses, one DJI lens was added. was this the one you have? Perhaps something went bonkers in that.

 

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/supported-lenses.html

 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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Hey, thanks for your answer and the time you took to reply.

 

I didnt apply any profile. I always use the "Adobe Color" as profile for all my images I import. This profile is still the profile used for the drone shots as I can see in the settings. So nothing has changed from my import and my edit to the point right now. Still, it feels like something has been automatically applyed. However, change history does not contain any changes to my last ones.

 

Please see the images below in another reply of mine. There you can see the weird change. 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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A thing about that profile Adobe Color. That is the "Adobe Standard" profile. Now you would think that the standard profile is one file, but it is in fact several different files, the difference being specific to a camera. A standard profile for say a Nikon is not necessarily the standard Profile for a Canon. And a standard profile for say a Canon 4D may not be the same for a Canon 5D (I have no idea if they are, just using examples)

 

Now Adobe might have a Standard profile for just DJI Drones, and just one, but they might find they needed to alter it for a new Drone, and in the process fouled up earlier Drones.

 

I am a Fuji X shooter, this has fouled up Fuji in the past.

 

 

 

 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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That would be indeed a pitty when this (in my case) applies for thousands of files which have been edited and finished. 

Any solution how to report this to adobe lightroom directly? This should be a major fix at their site. 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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And if I check the list of the lense, they only mention the Mavic 3 Cine, Mavic 3 Pro and Mavic 3 Classic. I do have the first Mavic 3, which is a different drone than the one mentioned. The weird twist applies for both my wide angle and the telezoom. 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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No, the history panel has no changes compared to the edit I already did. As said: No changes at all done. Looks kind of like adobe lightroom added another (new) color profile or lens profile to all Mavic 3 images. I heard several friends who are having the same issue with their Mavic 3 files which were already edited. 


By @Sebastian.Lehrke


Adobe did add support for several DJI drones in Lightroom Classic 13.1, but your drone is not one of them. This may be a bug, where Lightroom still thinks that it recognized your drone as a supported model (the naming of the different Mavic 3 models is a bit confusing), and so it now applies the wrong profile.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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To check how likely the above explanation is, select a Mavic 3 image and check what raw profiles Lightroom shows you. As your drone is not supported, you should only see 'Color' and 'Monochrome', not the usual profiles like Adobe Standard and Adobe Landscape.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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I actually do see all the profiles. Nothing has changed here to the state before. So my drone profile should be supported. However, as also shown in the attached screenshot, the photo is way brigther than my original edit. Its as least 0.5 stops and it´s way less vibrant as colors seem to be faded out. Bildschirmfoto 2023-12-27 um 13.23.44.png

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According to Adobe your drone is not supported (https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html). My DJI Mini 3 Pro did not have Adobe raw profiles until Lightroom Classic 13.1 added support for this drone, so the fact that you do see profiles could indeed be a bug.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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According to Adobe your drone is not supported (https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html). My DJI Mini 3 Pro did not have Adobe raw profiles until Lightroom Classic 13.1 added support for this drone, so the fact that you do see profiles could indeed be a bug.

 


By @JohanElzenga

 

John, it just occurred to me, that one, my replies are probably wrong due to lack of support in ACR for that particular drone. But another questions comes up. As that drone creates as RAW actual DNG files, could that be why the OP sees various Adobe profiles? And I suspect no Camera Matching Profiles (not asked/answered). And could part of the issue be that the DNG files created by DjI are not full Adobe DNG standard?

 

And then, since Adobe has added several DjI drones, a bug has cropped up involving cameras not in that list.

 

And is it time to recommend that the OP crafts and posts a carefully crafted BUG posting?

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John, it just occurred to me, that one, my replies are probably wrong due to lack of support in ACR for that particular drone. But another questions comes up. As that drone creates as RAW actual DNG files, could that be why the OP sees various Adobe profiles?


By @GoldingD

 

No, it could not. All DJI drones create a raw DNG file. The only thing is that Adobe did not support most of these raw DNG files with raw camera profiles. Lightroom Classic 13.1 changed this and added support for a range of DJI drones, which simply means it added Adobe Raw profiles. But the Mavic 3 is still not one of the supported drones, so there should still not be Adobe raw profiles for a DNG from that drone.

 

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And I suspect no Camera Matching Profiles (not asked/answered). And could part of the issue be that the DNG files created by DjI are not full Adobe DNG standard?

 

Camera matching profiles are Adobe's version of profiles you can set in the camera, often called something like 'Picture Styles' by the camera manufacturer. DJI does not have such profiles for the drone camera, and so Adobe does not have camera matching profiles because there is nothing to match.

 

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And is it time to recommend that the OP crafts and posts a carefully crafted BUG posting?

 

This thread can be moved to the Bugs section, so there is no need to start a new discussion all over again. Right now it's still only the OP reporting this (and his comment that some other Mavic 3 owner would see the same thing, but none have reported here). While I do think this could indeed be a bug, I would hope to see more Mavic 3 owners confirm this issue before the thread gets moved.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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Hey you two, thanks for taking the time and the issue seriously. I had several people on Instagram reporting me the same issue when I asked if that's reproduceable. I will ask them to text to this thread. 

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Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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One of the guys actually answered already down below here. 

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Explorer ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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In the following I attached an example.

 

1. photo: My already existing and done edit month ago. (colorful and sharp)

2. photo: Without having done any changed. Just clicked on the photo in my catalogue, the photo changed to that look. (washed out and way too bright)Bildschirmfoto 2023-12-26 um 18.30.27.pngExample-2.jpg

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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  • You might want to post what camera/drone you have. Perhaps someone has the same and has some lessons learned.
  • You might want to post, on perhaps DropBox a copy of the RAW (DNG?) file so others can see if the same happens on their rig.

 

 

By the way, have you tried taking a brand new photo with that Drone, then importing it into LrC, and seeing what occurs?

 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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It's all happening with photos of my normal Mavic 3 (the first one with the dual camera - zoom and wide angle). 

Maybe people who have edited photos of that drone can relate? Would be great to get shared knowledge. This should effect thousands of people actually...

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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When you review the curent Adobe Camera RAW Supported Cameras document:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

And look in the DjI section. It appeasrs that all the various Maviv 3 options calls for LrC v13.1

Now I suspect, that you had support prior to v13.1. This implies IMO that Adobe has changed someting in ACR (and as such in LrC) Or am I looking at the wrong camera?

 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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No the original Mavic 3 is missing. The Mavic 3 classic is not the original Mavic 3 but a lighter, smaller version without the zoom. 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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From your description, are you saying that the images are ok in the Library Module but change in the Develop Module?

 

I'm not sure if this would work for you. It's worth a try. From you examples, it looks like the lighter photo has about 2/3 stop additional brightness. I just tested this technique on some of my raw files. 

 

Start with the first photo in a folder where the files are all too bright. Adjust the exposure of the first one to the desired look. Then with that one "most selected" use the control key to select a few more. Then in the Photo menu -> Develop Settings -> Match Total Exposure. That should change the exposures on the additionally selected photo to match the first one. I did this in the library module with the Quick Develop panel to change exposure only.

 

If this works ok for you, you should be able to fix all the images in a specific folder at the same time. 

 

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-8700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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Unfortunately that's only half of the truth. It appears okay but then turns into the wrong look when hitting the D-Mode. However, when exporting the still good looking image when seeing it in the catalogue, it has the washed out look.... and I mostly have different exposures in my images in dependency of what I wanted to express. Might only work for same looking images. 

weird, really. Would expect a fix by DJI... kind of. 

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Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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I mean a fix by Lightroom / adobe.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 27, 2023 Dec 27, 2023

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 do have the first Mavic 3,

 

In LrC, can you select one of those images, and in the Library module, show the Camera Info as LrC reports it in the Metadata? (recommend when you create the screenshot that you eliminate anything private like the S/N)

 

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Also, to help nail down what camera, please review the following link, at the bottom in the link a whole slew of DjI drones, what one? You might also create a screenshot highlighting the done in question.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJI_Mavic

 

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