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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 13, 2024 Aug 13, 2024

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Adobe Employee , 10 hours ago 10 hours ago

Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping. 

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Explorer ,
Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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Great AI tools in Lightroom.

But when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them 😞

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LEGEND ,
Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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@Grohacke: "when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them"

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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In the Generative Remove tool bar, can we get one tool/option that specifically addresses stray hairs, and fly away hairs in portraits? Evato has this in their retouching suite and I keep expecting to see Adobe catch up on a similar tool. It should focus on stands on hair and have options for inside the face, outside of the head, and on the clothes. An automation would speed up the process of retouching hundreds of stray hairs, with a refinement option after the automation has run. 

 

Currently, the tool removes some of the hairs, but for hairs that are close to the hair line, it just tries to create more hair, so its like a line of hair, with a gap of background in the middle. 

 

I think if the tool had a little more instruction regarding stray hair removal, and some learning, it could be extremely powerful, a massive time saver for users, and solve one of the biggest issues portrait photographers face. 

 

Thanks. 

 

Ryan

 

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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For some reason, only recently, when I use the Remove tool only lately it is replacing not removing. I was trying to remove a person standing behind me in one photo and it kept replacing it with another person. I never was able to just remove it. I'm having the same problem again now. I'm trying to remove a car in the street (my attached image) and it just replaces it with another car. I've tried a bunch of times. You can see the final result is still a car. Screenshot 2024-12-08 at 6.27.01 PM.pngScreenshot 2024-12-08 at 6.27.06 PM.png 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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[This post contains formatting and embedded images that don't appear in email. View the post in your Web browser.]

 

Generative Remove does a good, quick job of removing the car from your screenshot:

 

JohnREllis_0-1733722176777.png

 

Your screenshots indicate that the photo has been cropped.  That, combined with the fact I can remove the car from the screenshot, points at the problem: You're apply Remove on a cropped photo. Remove looks at all the photo and is trying to match the unselected, cropped-out photos. Undo Crop, Transform, and Lens Correction (all of which crop out pixels), apply Remove, and then redo those commands.

 

This is a very common cause of confusion, and LR should really warn users about existing crops or simply disable them while the Remove panel is open, as it does with Lens Blur.  

 

See this article for more details about this and other guidelines for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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Thanks so much! That fixed the problem! And thanks for that link! 

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Explorer ,
Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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Please choose an area much larger than the car to include shadows or
anything close to it. If it does not work, choose it again. It will
eventually remove it.


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Sent from Gmail in PC

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New Here ,
Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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 Buen día, la IA en mí en mi LrC no me está funcionando.... No se a que se debe.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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@Jose Alberto Otarola: " The AI ​​in my LrC is not working for me"

 

Please describe in detail what steps you are taking and what you see (or don't see). If there's an error message, please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic).

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Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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14.0.1 Release, Camera Raw 17.0
Build [202410161356-30922cfc]

The LR Remove tool kinda sucks honestly. I just want to replace this corner of the photo with more dark corner, but Remove keeps just giving me more versions of what is ALREADY THERE. Why is it called the "Remove" tool if it doesn't remove anything?
Photoshop is much better!
How can two products from the SAME company be so DIFFERENT in this function?

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Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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@Thomas3198030305sb: "tly. I just want to replace this corner of the photo with more dark corner, but Remove keeps just giving me more versions of what is ALREADY THERE"

 

Your screenshots indicate that the photo has been cropped.  That, combined with the fact I can remove the corner from the screenshot and you can remove the corner in PS, points at the problem: You're applied Remove on a cropped photo. Remove looks at all of the photo's pixels and is trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels. Undo Crop, Transform, and Lens Correction (all of which crop out pixels), apply Remove, and then redo those commands. (When you send the photo to PS, all those cropped-out pixels are removed and PS doesn't see them.)

 

This is a very common cause of confusion, and LR should really warn users about existing crops or simply disable them while the Remove panel is open, as it does with Lens Blur.  

 

See this article for more details about this and other guidelines for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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one feedback is making sure the quality/noise of the generative remove MATCHES the rest of the photo. When zoomed in, the selected is actually removed but afterwards, the quality of the selected area looks more blurred than the the photo quality. 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 09, 2024 Dec 09, 2024

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@Sean23718437xqry: "making sure the quality/noise of the generative remove MATCHES the rest of the photo."

 

A fair number of people have complained about this. There are a couple issues with grain and textures:

 

1. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). 

 

2. Even when there's no upscaling of the replacement patch, Remove doesn't always match textures and grain very well.

 

For grain in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

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Dec 10, 2024 Dec 10, 2024

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I'm so frustrated with your removal tool. I just want to remove an object and keep the same background. I have regenrated 5 times and it keeps replacing it with weird objects. I have tried just the remove tool and it does the same thing. Im using the newest version of Lightroom classic and hope not to have to use two differnet programs for this since im editing over 500 images.  Any suggesstions?

 

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@prgal: "I have regenrated 5 times and it keeps replacing it with weird objects."

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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The generative remove will not remove powerlines for me, even if I include an excessive amount of area for it to remove.

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@riley_0222: "The generative remove will not remove powerlines for me"

 

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

 

2. Power lines usually go to the edges of the photo. If you've applied Crop, Lens Correction, or Transform, undo them, apply Remove, then redo them. Remove looks at all the pixels of a photo and will try to match the unselected cropped-out pixels.

3. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 10, 2024 Dec 10, 2024

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Hi @Rikk Flohr: Photography ,

Thank you for the detailed update! The new Generative Remove feature sounds like a game-changer, especially with the AI-driven object detection and the ability to circle objects for quicker selection. The batch updating support is also a great addition.

At theandroidnews , we’re always excited to see how Adobe continues to push the boundaries of photography tools. I look forward to testing these updates and sharing feedback on how they perform with complex images.

Keep up the great work!

Best regards,
The Android News

 

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Dec 11, 2024 Dec 11, 2024

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Hopeless. Frustrating. No value for money as the tool just cannot be used meaningfully. Waste of time.

DhandaNot

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LEGEND ,
Dec 11, 2024 Dec 11, 2024

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[This post contains formatting and embedded images that don't appear in email. View the post in your Web browser.]

 

"Hopeless. Frustrating. No value for money as the tool just cannot be used meaningfully. Waste of time."

 

In your previous post in this thread last month, you provided a screenshot of where you wanted to remove a cable, and I pointed out that you should uncheck Detect Objects and review a quick-read tutorial. I also said, "But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects."  You never responded.

 

Using your screenshot, I quickly removed the cables with Generative Remove:

JohnREllis_0-1733948648249.png

 

In another thread, you wrote, "Lightroom is unable to remove this cable. I tried a few times, but end result is that the cable stays there, no change!" Again, Generative Remove did a good job of quickly removing the cable:

 

JohnREllis_1-1733948838638.png

 

In another post in this thread, you complained you weren't able to remove a stick crossing front of a rodent. Someone pointed out that you should select the entire stick, not part of it. You never responded. That works well with your screenshot:

JohnREllis_2-1733949379803.png

 

In another post in this thread, you complained about not being able to remove sticks from the background, and we pointed out you needed to apply Remove before cropping and do Update AI Settings after applying Remove on an AI mask. You never responded.

 

The problems you've reported are addressed by this short, five-minute article to which I've referred you before:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/ 

 

Have you read it? If you have, and you're still having problems, show that I'm an idiot by attaching several full-resolution problem JPEGs exported from the unmodified original photos (not a screenshot, not a modified image). 

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With the new API the SDK provided in the latest Update I have been able to implement 

"Merge Spots"
"Manage Spots"

"Merge Spots" allows to combine any two spots into one, the same we can do when doing "Refine" but this is doable for all type of remove so also for Clone and Heal.
Check the video.

"Manage Spots" allows to delete specific spots within a "Spots Mask"
E.g.

An existing "Generative Remove" has a subtraction.

At today we can''t get rid of the subtraction Masks alone (or the add mask) ...we must trash the entire Spot.

With my code I can manage the existing Spot(s) properly and, like for masking, I can delete what I don't like selectively.

Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 10.04.56.png


Morale: a better workflow with Remove is doable.


P.s.

I will be evolving code and allow to "Extract Sub Spots" and even allow convert them to "add" or "subtract" within the same Spot (basically same conversion we can do for masking)

P.P.S.

I shows the plug-in in action with single spots but the plug-in obviously can merge complex/entire brush strokes.

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Uso a IA dentro do Lightroom para remover pequenos objetos com o objetivo de "limpar" as imagens. Achei a ferramenta fácil de ajustar e com excelente resultado na grande maioria das vezes; poucas são as situações, no meu tipo de edição, que tenho que levar para o Photoshop depois do "remove" com IA dentro do Lightroom. Este recurso reduz o tempo de edição consideravelmente, pois agora a edição da maioria das imagens é todo feita no Lightroom, sem necessidade ir ao Photoshop e voltar.. . Meu fluxo de trabalho melhorou consideravelmente. IA para remoção de detalhes e elementos indesejados na edição das imagens está fantástico! Aprovadissímo!!

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Adobe Employee ,
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Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping. 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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@Rikk Flohr: Photography: "Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping."

 

...or Transform or Lens Corrections. And it's no longer necessary to do heroic brushing to remove objects along the edges of photos where LR / Camera Raw has applied the can't-be-disabled hidden cropping performed on many cameras.

 

This will avoid a lot of the confusion reported in this thread!

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The changes done in the current release DO NOT change the problematic situation with Remove.
Yes we can now apply remove even if the image is cropped BUT it doesn't work well.


Starting point.

Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 22.05.55.png

I paint the Gen Remove

Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 22.06.06.png


All works till now, I painted on the uncropped image.

Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 22.24.33.png

I then Crop the  image AND refresh the Gen Remove.

 

All seems good now as well...


Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 22.13.38.png

 


Wrong!!!
Look at the hidden reality:


Screenshot 2024-12-12 at 22.13.46.png


When the full uncropped image is revealed I can see the Gen Remove left an horrible blob on the tree outside the crop, something that didn't  happen when I painted on the uncropped image BUT because we can't do "Show Uncropped Image" I can't see the poor result of the refresh so I am led to believe all was ok (but it was not the case)

 


• The reality is that at all times we must always see AND paint the remove on the entire image otherwise we leave out parts necessary for the Remove to be usable in all situations...so we need the option "Show Uncropped Image" in LrC like in ACR to properly paint usable remove AND judge its quality when we refresh.

Needless to say that painting a partial remove when the image is cropped delivers horrible partial results as the moment one changes the crop the remove must be redone/refined/completed. 

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