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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 13, 2024 Aug 13, 2024

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Explorer ,
Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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Here's a good example of something that should have been easy to remove.

I have a big black pole obscuring the building.

Generative remove went a little haywire.

While this might be OK for some of the commenters here 🙂 I'ts too far form the intended result for me.

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Adobe Employee ,
Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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It seems to work fine for me: 

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 9.58.28 AM.png


All three variations were acceptable.  A screenshot showing your actual brush stroke might be helpful in troubleshooting.

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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Explorer ,
Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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My brush stroke was precisely like yours, but the generative remove automatically made it 3 times the width, which the article seemed to imply was the proper way to do things.

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Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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I had "detect objects" clicked on.

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Explorer ,
Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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When "Detect Objects" is deselected, I still get unsatisfactory results. I tried both the original RAW and the JPG. And when I use the settings in your photo, I get an entirely different behavior (red regions) the only way I can come close to replicating this is to use a brish size of 11 with Detect off, but still not satisfactory. This is truly strange IMHO. ALso included is the same proceedure I did in photoshop.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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@newplasticmachine, I may be missing something -- what's unsatisfactory about the first and third screenshots?  They look like Rikk's results.

 

In general Detect Objects doesn't work well with long skinny things like poles and power lines, and I often find myself unchecking it.  It results in selections that are too wide or disconnected or both, as seen in your second screenshot:

JohnREllis_0-1730146781260.png

 

 

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Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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The third example is perfect, but done in Photoshop.

The first example created some bizarre distortions. Look at the building above the V in the sign.

That's probably acceptable for family snapshots but not for photography.

The strange thing is how wildly different these results are on the same image and same settings but on different computers.

RIkk's version HAD "detect objects" selected and appears to have no issue.

When I had "detect objects" selected (on raw as well as jog), it behaved entirely differently.

 

I don't know why it's so different for me Lightroom vs Photoshop, but it is. 

 

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LEGEND ,
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@newplasticmachine: "The third example is perfect, but done in Photoshop. The first example created some bizarre distortions."

 

Got it, thanks.

 

It seems that the Remove tools in both PS and LR are quite sensitive to the width and placement of the selection over the pole.  On the left is a fair bit of distortion from my first attempt in PS, and on the right is an example from LR that looks much better:

 

JohnREllis_0-1730169958523.png JohnREllis_1-1730170395244.png

 

Regarding Rikk's screenshot, I'm skeptical that the selection shown in white outline was made with Detect Objects. I've never seen it make a selection like that with a perfectly rounded bottom -- that's the outline of a brush stroke made without Detect Objects. My experience with Detect Objects on lines and poles is that it always make a too-wide selection, often in disconnected pieces, just as you're experiencing.

 

Rikk, can you show us the red outline of the selection you made with Detect Objects?

 

 

 

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I guess it's kind of a random thing. I wonder how much a computer and possibly internet connection, influences the results.

 

FWIW I do baseline color correction in LRC, then export to PS to take advantage of all the tools in that program, then return to RC for the final minor tweaks.

 

One thing that I do wish could be done simply in Lightroom is to create custom borders. I put all of my photos in a white square, and I believe it can be done in the print module, but it's far easier to use the crop tool in PS.

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Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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Good morning

Same comment as already read below: I was rtying to remove a leaf on a sold color sky and it was replaced by a smaller leaf (all three versions) . Sad result when one consider that previous version (yet called "testing version") was working perfectly well.

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@comete17: "I was rtying to remove a leaf on a sold color sky and it was replaced by a smaller leaf (all three versions) ."

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, including people who think that Remove has changed for the worse in LR 14, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Oct 27, 2024 Oct 27, 2024

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When I try to remove something with the AI remove function of lightroom, instead of removing, all the proposals are to remplace. For example : instead of removing a car, it propose te replace by another car ! When I try to generate again, it still propose another car to replace !! It's a bug or to I have to modify a parameter ?

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Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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@efficient_dancer5CC7 you can't do much about it.

I want to make an example:
Original photo

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.30.00.png

I refreshed and I got 0 success rate upon several tries.

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.31.26.pngScreenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.31.31.pngScreenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.31.47.png

I open the image in Photoshop and entered instruction "Street"
Failure again, I was no specific enough so Ai "thought" that "street" could have a car (makes sense tbh)

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.33.37.png

But in Photoshop I can add more instructions to guide the AI

So I wrote "Street, no cars"
Success !

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.34.15.png
One of the 3 versions works.

The other ones are silly, I got giant walking furry creatures.

 

Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 13.42.07.png

 

 

• BUT in Photoshop at least one can guide the AI so at last we are not at total mercy of what AI "thinks" will work.


One way to have higher success rate would be to have instructions.

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LEGEND ,
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This is a great working example. The car is casting a shadow that extends down to the bottom edge, and when you don't select the shadow too, Remove generates a replacement that tries to match the remaining shadow.  Using the screenshot with the generated car, here's what happens when you don't select the shadow:

JohnREllis_0-1730145399810.png

 

When you include the shadow, the first variant has replaced the car with matching buildings, wall, yellow curb, and street and even generated a reflection for the pole:

JohnREllis_1-1730145470835.png

 

 

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@John R Ellis but with instructions users could paint smaller holes AND have results.

Instructions help a lot.

 

Also this is another example of why having tips would help.

 

I used Object Detect and the tool very basically expanded the "real selection" by about 500 pixels...the tool didn't search for other meaningful/connected areas that should have been included in the selectio for the optimal result.

 

I did what any new user would have done using the tool the first time: I trusted the tool.

 

There was no indication whatsoever that the area auto selected was not enough.

Not tips or tricks to help.

 

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LEGEND ,
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"There was no indication whatsoever that the area auto selected was not enough. Not tips or tricks to help."

 

Agreed. Object Detect isn't smart enough to know about shadows and reflections but the actual removal is. That difference causes lots of problems for users.

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@efficient_dancer5CC7: " instead of removing a car, it propose te replace by another car ! When I try to generate again, it still propose another car to replace !! "

 

See this article for more information on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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New Here ,
Oct 25, 2024 Oct 25, 2024

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I tried out the new option for remove objects. And it took out half of the subjects face. No worries, I turned it off again. 

But now it is stuck on no matter what option the toggle switch is set to.  

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It looks like the AI tool is mistakenly flagging my request to remove the dog leash from the photo as a ‘prompt violation.’ I’m not sure why it’s reading this simple photo edit as a rule-breaking request—it’s just a standard edit in pet photography, nothing harmful or inappropriate.

 

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Now I'm waiting for someone to tell you to include the shadow and expand the selection you're making in order to fix this lol

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@Patrick22616748c1sx:  "I'm waiting for someone to tell you to include the shadow"

 

Obviously not applicable here. But I did just point out a shadow issue a few hours ago:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

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@Joshyi3: "the AI tool is mistakenly flagging my request to remove the dog leash from the photo as a ‘prompt violation.’ "

 

Could you please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so Adobe and others can see the particular problem? There were a few reports in the beta ("early access") thread about Remove incorrectly flagging a photo as violating the Adobe Firefly "guidelines".  

 

The AI platforms are paranoid about being accused of hosting and generating "harmful" and "unsafe" content, for both marketing and legal reasons. I think they deliberately err on the side of false positives rather than false negatives.  I see the same issue with Google's Gemini AI service -- out of a catalog of 40K photos, it incorrectly blocked access to about 300 photos as being "harmful", even though they were innocent pics of children and animals.

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Oct 28, 2024 Oct 28, 2024

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Buenos días. Si bien la eliminación con IA resulta útil, en algunos casos funciona de maravillas, por ejemplo, con personas u objetos (bicicleta, estatuas), que se vean pequeños en relación al encuadre de la fotografía, pero en el caso de un automóvil en primer plano, se dificulta, ya que cambia de forma el objeto o sencillamente lo reemplaza por otro objeto similar. Un pequeño dolor de cabeza. Sé que es dificil aplicar este tipo de filtros, pero sería deseable su ajuste más fino. Muchas Gracias.

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Oct 29, 2024 Oct 29, 2024

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@h�ctor_5348: "in the case of a car in the foreground, it is difficult, as it changes the shape of the object or simply replaces it with another similar object."

 

Make sure you select all of the car and any reflections or shadows of the car. See here for an example of what happens when you don't select shadows and reflections:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic... 

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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It would be nice to have select subject, background etc. in the remove. Thanks.

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