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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 13, 2024 Aug 13, 2024

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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New Here ,
Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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Hoy he vuelto a intentarlo y ¡ya no me aparece ese error!

Gracias por vuestro soporte.

Saludos,
Jose

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Dec 05, 2024 Dec 05, 2024

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In Lightroom Classic, there should be some sort of prompt to guide the AI generative remove.. I am trying to remove a person from a photo of an auditorium full of people and it continuously tries to generate someone else in that place.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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@lukasradek: "In Lightroom Classic, there should be some sort of prompt to guide the AI generative remove.."

 

Photoshop has Generative Fill, which allows you to provide prompts. A couple others have requested here that LR offer something similar. Please add your constructive opinion and upvote this existing feature request:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-add-generative-fill/idi-p/13941532

 

"I am trying to remove a person from a photo of an auditorium full of people and it continuously tries to generate someone else in that place."

 

This is often possible with Remove but requires experience with Remove's rougher edges. See here for an example of removing a person from a crowded group of people:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/removing-disconnected-objects-select-everything-the...

 

This example trips over a misfeature in the Remove selection UI, which if it were fixed, would have made the example much easier to accomplish. If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), and I'll see how hard it is to use Remove. (This would provide more evidence either for Adobe to fix the Remove UI and/or for allowing generative-fill prompts.)

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Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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It's about 50/50 working as expected and the rest of the time putting additional random distracting elements in there...  if it's truly remove... why does it so frequently add in other random things vs. work to find ways to cleanly remove distracting objects....

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Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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Well because "removing something" is sort of a context dependent and subjective operation. That is why additional prompt is quite useful for such tool.

The result that you present is something that I would rather expect from a healing tool, though.

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You're just wrong. "Remove" is "remove" and adding other random generated artifacts is just a bug.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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@BK_2069: " if it's truly remove... why does it so frequently add in other random things vs. work to find ways to cleanly remove distracting objects...."

 

This is a good example of the simple rule that you must select all of an object, including shadows and reflections. You selected some but not all of the shadows and reflections. When you select those, including the faint shadows cast by side lighting and the reflection below the athlete's leg, Remove quickly does a good job:

Screenshot 2024-12-06 at 11.02.13 AM.png Screenshot 2024-12-06 at 11.02.04 AM.png

If you don't select all the shadows and reflections, then Remove will generate a replacement that tries to cast them.

 

Note that, due to a bug in the LR user interface that Adobe considers "as designed", you must first make a selection that contiguously selects all of the object. Then use Subtract to remove parts you don't want replaced -- in this case, I removed the leg between the upper and lower reflections.  If instead you try to make separate, disconnected selections with Add, Remove treats those as completely separate, as if you had done one at a time, and it won't work here.

 

This and other guidelines are covered in more detail in this article, definitely worth the five-minute read:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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Thanks John. Super helpful. Will be more careful with selections and see how it goes....  One question... seems like it doesn't respect cropping.... so cropped an image leaving just a hand sticking out of the side of the frame from another player.... attempted to select and GenAI remove, but it just gives me 3 options of other fingers.... obviously, this is a good use for clone, but should AI behave differently here?

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LEGEND ,
Dec 06, 2024 Dec 06, 2024

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Remove looks at all the pixels of the photo, including unselected pixels that have been cropped out. In your case, Remove is generating a replacement that matches the rest of the cropped-out player's arm. Adobe's design rationale is that you might later want to adjust the crop, so Remove applies to the entire image.

 

So undo the crop, remove the fingers and arm, then re-crop. 

 

This need to Remove first then crop doesn't match most people's workflow -- you don't know what might need removal until you've cropped and edited.  And Crop is the only tool that you can't toggle off temporarily, saving your settings.  So what I do is do Copy, selecting just Crop, undo the Crop, do the Remove, then do Paste.

 

It would avoid much confusion if LR just temporarily toggled off the crop while the Remove tool is open, as the tool does when there's a Lens Blur.

 

See the end of the article for recommended order in which to apply all the various settings.

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In LR Classic I find the generative AI remove tool rarely removes the object I select, but just changes its structure to be more cartoonish.

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@mrlenz: "the generative AI remove tool rarely removes the object I select, but just changes its structure to be more cartoonish."

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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I had cropped already and did not realize it looked to original.  Started with original image and it worked better.

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Dec 07, 2024 Dec 07, 2024

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Why is Lightroom telling me that I'm not conected to the internet when I definately am conected?

This is preventing me from useing generative AI

I have just updated the app. I am running a M1 Mac Studio

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Dec 07, 2024 Dec 07, 2024

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@Neil Waving: "Why is Lightroom telling me that I'm not conected to the internet when I definitely am connected?"

 

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Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

 

- Restart the computer.

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

- Try relaunching the Finder -- start Finder, click the Finder menu, and do Quit Finder. Someone reported that this solved this problem for him.

Please let us know which of these work and which don't.

 

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Unfortunately it stopped working for me after updates. Not removing any objects, never. I tried multiple photos, deleting small things, results are useless now. It wasn't the case in the past. It seems to be latest updates issue.

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@Anna35287185zjd4: "it stopped working for me after updates. Not removing any objects, never. I tried multiple photos, deleting small things, results are useless now. It wasn't the case in the past."

 

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

JohnREllis_0-1733677378532.png

 

Many people have reported that the updates changed their Opacity sliders.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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Hi Rick

I keep trying to remove a post and a person within a simple background (e.g. post with clear blue sky background or person on a bridge) yet the removed object remains as a ghost image.

 

I read: "If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu. ""

This is again difficult to find, but when i eventually did, I updated that AI settings on that photo but the problem persists. It is clear I am getting it wrong because so often IA remove works brilliantly, yet at other times it suubbornly gives me a ghost like object. 

 

Ive been scouring this forum but so far nothing that sticks out. But have followed up on other leads - so learning overaal but the ghost ing issue defies all my attempts till now 

 

Henri

 

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@henke51366242: "I keep trying to remove a post and a person within a simple background (e.g. post with clear blue sky background or person on a bridge) yet the removed object remains as a ghost image. ... I updated that AI settings on that photo but the problem persists." 

 

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

JohnREllis_0-1733676100286.png

 

Applying Remove on top of AI masking (e.g. a Sky mask, corrected by doing Update AI Settings) and Opacity sliders set to less than 100 are the primary causes of ghost images. But if this doesn't help, then rather than play twenty questions, share the original photo and your develop settings here. In Library, select the photo and do the menu command Metadata > Save Metadata To File. Then upload photo file (and if it's raw, its .xmp sidecar file) to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive, or other free service and post the sharing link here.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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it is very great and helpful.

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I wanted to remove lens flare dots from a black background, but the image was underexposed so once exposure was pushed then the background showed noise grain. The noise structure wasn't used as part of the generative replacement, so there's a cleaner patch where I removed the dots. Doing Denoise first was better, but it would be good to be able to remove objects on a noisy background.

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@Terry Payman: "The noise structure wasn't used as part of the generative replacement, so there's a cleaner patch where I removed the dots. Doing Denoise first was better, but it would be good to be able to remove objects on a noisy background."

 

Adobe recommends doing Denoise first -- see the bottom of this article for the recommended order of operations:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

 

But in general, Remove doesn't always do well matching the noise/grain of the surrounding area -- others have complained here about that too.  See here for a way to ameliorate it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

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I hate this new AI remove tool! I just want to be able to remove something out of an image...AI just does whatever the heck it wants to do. I end up having to take the images into PS in order to totally remove objects. This needs to be corrected.

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@GlendaMadaris: "I end up having to take the images into PS in order to totally remove objects. "

 

When Generative Remove replaces rather than removes in LR but works quick in PS, that usually indicates you're applying Remove to an image that's been cropped by the Crop, Lens Correction, or Transform panels.  LR's Remove looks at all the pixels in an image, including those that have been cropped out. Undo those settings, apply Remove, then redo them.

 

If that doesn't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Dec 08, 2024 Dec 08, 2024

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Great AI tools in Lightroom.

But when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them 😞

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@Grohacke: "when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them"

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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