P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

Posted by:

[vincenzo_6388]

Trovo l'ultimo aggiornamento molto peggiorativo rispetto alla versione precedente che reputavo ottima. Rimozione generativa lentissima e a scatti. Ad ogni operazione di rimozione lasci fastidiosissimi aloni chiari. Diventa tutto molto complesso. Urge patch di correzione.

[John R Ellis]

@vincenzo_6388: "With each removal operation you leave annoying light halos."

Please attach full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) of the ENTIRE LR window showing the photo after you've made your selection of the object and then after you've clicked Remove.  We'll then see exactly what's going on and can likely provide an easy solution.

[romantic_smarts6C13]

Generative removal has to be done again for ALL masks in the catalog and this causes errors in already finished images and also means that all newly created masks are deducted from the monthly available credits? WHY?

[nigelr63458360]

Tried to remove a tree trunk but it simply replaced it with a smaller section . I also tried extending the selection quite a way into the background but got a similar result. Went into PS and removed it with the remove tool. 

[sandys19174563]

Hello,

since today i have the problem, that a few minutes after removingan object an exclamation mark appears a few minutes later to indicate that it needs to be updated. The removed object is then back and I can start again from the beginning. What is the problem?

[romantic_smarts6C13]

Next problem: I updated the masks in Lightroom Classic and then Lightroom Mobile tells me on the same image that I need to update the masks AGAIN. Each update reduces the monthly credits...REALLY?

[Floartgraphy]

Please make the remove properties mantained from one picture to others. I have to "update settings" after each use to remove some spots or areas. It's nonsense... if i don't want to use, I don't copy "remove" properties. It's a lot of time wasted.... in previous version it works like a charm this option. Now I have to wait 10-15 sec for every picture even it's not used generative AI. Apart from this inconvenience, generative AI works fine in Lightroom.

[C.Cella]

@Floartgraphy

What do you mean by "Please make the remove properties mantained from one picture to others."

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[Edwin_Grondinger0084]

Warum muss ich, wenn ich ein unerwünschtes Objekt entfernt habe beim nächsten Öffnen von Lightroom das bereits entfernte Objekt nochmal mit "Aktualisieren" erneut entfernen? Das macht doch - ausse mehr Arbeit - keinen Sinn, oder?

[C.Cella]

To all users having with Remove (i.e Gen Remve doing a poor job OR replacing object with another object) then use the "Report Variation" menu.



You can send the images to Adobe so that eventually can train the Ai.
Unfortunately you must add a description of the problem because there are no checkboxes for "Quality issue" or "Replaced instead of Removed"...the two common case of Generative Content failure that so many of you are experiencing, that we all experience daily.


Adobe will hopefully issue Firefly credits refunds.

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[armandsbc]

So far the results I got  were much better than with the old tool, but in my case, changing the tool/circle size is extremely slow. There's a huge delay when I turn the mouse wheel or use the square brackets, doesn't matter. Did not have the same issue with the old version.

[Jinx48]

I am using the latest version of Lightroom Classic. When removing objects on a DNG file everything goes well. Later on, when reviewing my photos before exporting them, I realise that the objects I had removed in some of my photos are still visible. Going to the Develop Module I realise there is a red dot under the remove tool and a message saying ''Some Remove settings need to be updated''. I update them and minutes later I have to go over this process another time. It doesn't seem to keep the changes. Am I the only person having this problem? Is it a bug in the software? Am I doing something wrong?

[armandsbc]

I just experienced exatly the same issue. Except that there was no indication of an issue before exporting.  I exported and saw that the removed objects were still visible in the JPEGs. After performing the update all looked good. Still very annoying.

[nathanh78671078]

I have been doing this over and over and over adn over again all day. The only work around i am finding is ediitng and exporting each photo one by one because the moment i move to the next photo the AI edits are gone on the previous. GIGANTIC waste of time! 

if anyone has a fix please  let me know! 

[RDGPhoto]

I am not a fan of the new AI generative features in lightroom classic. It casues continual issues of having to update the masks. I edit one photo, and a few previous ones need to be updated. I edit another, and a few other masks fail. It is a HUGE time waster. 

[jamesc35882062]

This facility simply doesn't work. Do we have to go to anoher product to get rid of unwanted items? How do I get back to a previous version of the  product . It worked!!!

[marklSanDiego]

None of the remove/heal/clone options in Lightroom Classic are working for me in the new update.  What am I doing wrong?

[John R Ellis]

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@marklSanDiego: "None of the remove/heal/clone options in Lightroom Classic are working for me in the new update."

As a first step, make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

If that doesn't help, please describe in detail the steps you're taking and what you observe.

[marklSanDiego]

There is no opacity slider:

 

[John R Ellis]

In LR 14, the Opacity slider only appears after you make some brush strokes.

There have been a number of reports in the past year of LR setting the slider to 0 by itself.

[marklSanDiego]

Yes, the opacity was down to 40%; when I changed it to 100% it worked.
Why are they doing this to us?

Mark D. Leibowitz
(858) 204-5929 (cell)
mark.d.leibowitz@gmail.com

[John R Ellis]

@marklSanDiego: "the opacity was down to 40%"

Glad it was fairly easy to resolve. These random changes to Opacity don't strike the overwhelming majority of users, but it's occurred enough times in reports here that it's become an FAQ.

[C.Cella]

@John R Ellis Opacity slider was available whenever we created a new stroke.

It was removed for the Ui for LrC 14 so now the user must first paint then change Opacity.

This leads a problem.

If one sets an existing Remove to Opacity X then even the next new one will be at Opacity X.

1. So set an existing Remove/Clone/Heal at Opacity 0.

2. Create a new one.

Result: The new one will start at Opacity 0 because we can't set it before painting anymore.

We complained.

[callmedoug]

absolute garbage.  whatever you did makes lightroom impossible to use.  if I use AI to remove say hair from one photo and them remove background components from another photos, and then something from another, every single photo i used Ai on gets Red dot and a message that says "some remove settings need to be updated" and i have to go through every single photo and hit update, and by the time i get to the end and update all my photos they all have the same red dot and message.

it is literally like, the AI wants the same exact edits on every single photo.

Lightroom is no completly unusable and of course becuase it updated my library i can't go back to the old version.

You have literally cost me days of work to have to now do all editing in photoshop or export every single photo out of RAW to JPG as i edit them so that the edits i make don't go away.

FIX THIS NOW.  THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE

[abuse removed by moderator]

[callmedoug]

so telling you that your update is garbage is abuse?  WOW.  if not for having a backup, you wold have cost me literally tens of thousands of dollars in lost work.