P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

Posted by:

[John R Ellis]

@jimbessette: ""Edge" has nothing to do with the problem."

An object on the edge very often is the cause of people's problems reported in this thread and the previous early-access thread.  If you've cropped the photo before applying Remove, Remove will try to match the pixels outside the crop, replacing the selection with another object. 

"I had a person in the middle of a picture.  ... t replaced it with another person.  I reiterated this a number of times.  It eventually replaced the adult with a child. Then that child with another smaller child.  Then after a few more times, the child was replaced with a CHICKEN!  A few more times and the object was finally actually removed."

This often happens when you've missed a bit of the original object, including a bit disconnected from the main selection, or you haven't selected a shadow or reflection of the object. In all these cases, Remove tries to match the unselected bits.  There are several examples of this in previous posts in this thread and the early-access thread.  See this article for more details and examples:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[deserette]

useless, way b ehind other apps

[DhandaNot]

I am on latest version of Lightroom Classic 14.0.1 and the Generative Remove does not work at all. It is so frustrating. Earlier it was working fine.

[DhandaNot]

Since Generative Remove does not work well LR CLassic 14.0.1 I tried to use Heal and Clone. But that too leaves a trace of what I am trying to remove.

[C.Cella]

@DhandaNot your screenshot shows you need to Update Ai Settings for Masking i.e. Red Dot under Masking panel icon.

If you have a Sky Mask apllied it might be the cause of the smudges.

Consider also there is a bug when trying to clone/heal a Sky affected by ANY type of Masks.

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[C.Cella]

All the tips and tricks to use Gen Remove should be available in LrC, via the help section or via an icon in the Remove Panel.

We have now a new revamped "What's New" secrion and we could have a similar section dedicated to "How To Use Gen Remove" with explanations, images, videos, gifs, etc...

So many users would NOT have problems if only this "manual" was made available within LrC.

Praise must go to @John R Ellis which seemingly all alone is sharing the good knowledge on the forums.

Perhaps John we should create a "Gen Remove Guide" Plug-in 😉

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[John R Ellis]

The Lightroom Queen article is a good reference and Victoria and Paul are keeping it updated:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[C.Cella]

The Lightroom Queen article is a good reference and Victoria and Paul are keeping it updated:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

By @John R Ellis

Yes but it's not widely known.

Personally I think that it should be Adobe to provide the info, available offline in LrC.

But thats just me probably.

[John R Ellis]

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@DhandaNot: "Generative Remove does not work well LR CLassic 14.0.1 I tried to use Heal and Clone. But that too leaves a trace of what I am trying to remove."

Your screenshot shows two issues:

1. You've applied Remove on top of masking (as C.Cella pointed out). Do Settings > Update AI settings to recompute the masks after applying Remove, or do as Adobe recommends, appy Remove before masking (which doesn't match many people's workflow).

2. You've applied Remove to a cropped photo, and if the selection extends to the edge of the crop, Remove is trying to match the cropped out pixels. Apply Remove before cropping. See here for more details:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johngregoryfcb]

Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky.

[John R Ellis]

@johngregoryfcb: "Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky."

No. You could submit a feature request here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/ct-p/ct-lightroom-classic?page=1&sort=latest_replie...

[C.Cella]

@johngregoryfcb no there are no direct Ai Selections to be usable with Remove.

Use Detect Objects Remove and paint over the "item" to remove.

Unfortunately there is no "rectangular" mode for Objects in Remove so is not as fast (and good for performance) todo the selections like it is in Masking using Objects 

You can paint around the item to select and Gen Remove will auto fill it to make the selection.

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[quinet2000]

I have a dual monitor set up. When I select an object to remove on my main screen, it shows up in red off-centre by about a centimeter. Can't use this feature right now in the latest version of Lightroom Classic on Windows.

[John R Ellis]

@quinet2000: "I have a dual monitor set up. When I select an object to remove on my main screen, it shows up in red off-centre by about a centimeter."

Please submit a bug report about this:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12386373 

which will make it more likely Adobe will set it and respond. Be sure to include screenshots (or better, a full-resolution screen recordings) and copy/paste the entire output from the menu command Help > System Info.

[Wilbur16B8]

Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object.  This seems at odds with the purpose of a remove tool.

[John R Ellis]

@Wilbur16B8: "Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[LivPhoto]

Im trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines? What the f!!!!! Sincerely - a tired wedding photographer

[John R Ellis]

@LivPhoto: "I'm trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines?"

See this previous post and my two replies:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Photos by Bre]

Wow, remove and replaced worked pretty good until today's update.  Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object.  Almost useless at this point.

[John R Ellis]

@Photos by Bre: "Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object."

1. The red dot under the Masking button indicates you've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, which can cause ghosting. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings, or apply Remove before masking.

2. The replaced section of the white pole in your screenshot indicates you had Mode: Remove selected with Detect Objects checked.  Detect Objects doesn't do well at detecting long lines and poles -- uncheck Detect Objects and try it again.

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[R Gearhart]

The remove tool has suddenly become as slow as molasses for me, even when not using AI.

With the Generative AI option *unchecked*, each little spot I want to remove means waiting 20-30 valuable seconds, in which Lightroom Classic window turns black and stops responding, sometimes an addional process like "Bezel" appears in the Windows taskbar, then all the elements of the application refresh themselves, then finally the spot is removed. It's maddening!

[John R Ellis]

@R Gearhart: "The remove tool has suddenly become as slow as molasses for me, even when not using AI."

As a first troubleshooting step, update your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, I recommend starting your own thread, rather than continuing the discussion here. It will get better attention. Be sure to copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.

[Jessica35764566m3td]

I don't understand why, after I have made my edits, that they revert back and I have to go back through and regenerate the spots I have already done? And, then it generate something different than what I originally had going. What am I doing wrong? This is making editing 10x harder.

[John R Ellis]

@Jessica35764566m3td: "I don't understand why, after I have made my edits, that they revert back and I have to go back through and regenerate the spots I have already done?"

LR 14.0 introduced a serious bug that caused this, which is why Adobe released 14.0.1 to address it. Even after updating to 14.0.1, some people have reported it can be quite fussy to get LR operating correctly again.  See this thread and Adobe employee Rikk Flohr's second reply at the top:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requ...

If you still experience the problem, please post in that thread with details of what you're observing, rather than continuing the discussion here.

[harry_1797]

Why is my generative ai remove not working I have kept trying but still not working