P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[John R Ellis]

@erin_aasland: "Now it just keeps trying to replace the highlighted area with something slimliar, vs totally removing it. I have tried all the suggestions, and it still does the same thing. Was simply trying to remove a person and selected everything with space around, no shadows were present, and it kept offering replacements of different warped faced people."

If you're tried the techniques described in this article:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

then please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, including those who initially thought that LR 14 had changed things for the worse, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[fernando26737625pl84]

Instead of removing the object, it replaces it with something similar and with a very artificial quality!

We want to REMOVE  the object and mainly, persons.

Thank you and keep up the good work. we are in the right way.

[John R Ellis]

@fernando26737625pl84: "Instead of removing the object, it replaces it with something similar and with a very artificial quality!"

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[01sw]

It’s a shame that AI is only integrated for object removal! A localized generative AI would be very welcome! Until that happens, Luminar Neo will remain No. 1… (with regret).

[DrSo]

Want to remove electric lines in between font object an and background mountains.

AI removes houses, busches, trees in background mountains and enhances the electric lines to give them more contrast

This is not the desired effect.

Thanks

Herbert

[John R Ellis]

@DrSo: "Want to remove electric lines in between font object an and background mountains."

Power lines can require a little extra care.  See this post:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

Also note that Remove without Generative AI checked (the old content-aware remove) is sometimes easier to use than Generative AI Remove, though in all the examples provided in this thread, Generative Remove works.

if this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[JLynnH]

I feel the Beta version of Generative AI we had was much better than the end result.  I am getting so frustrated trying to get clean areas around things.  I guess i don't feel like it is identifying objects as well as it was.

[John R Ellis]

@JLynnH: "I am getting so frustrated trying to get clean areas around things.  I guess i don't feel like it is identifying objects as well as it was."

I don't see in your screenshot what you're referring to?  In addition to calling out what's going wrong, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, including those who initially though LR 14 was doing worse, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[educorreafoto]

Não consigo usar esse recurso já tem mais de uma semana. Aparece um erro "Falha na Remoção Generativa"

[John R Ellis]

@educorreafoto: "I haven't been able to use this feature for over a week now. I get an error message saying "Generative Removal Failed""

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

[PhotosbyPulelehua]

Using Generative AI to remove some background objects and it's not removing as well as say PS does. Also, it seems to take a ridiculously long time for the object to be selected, it was much quicker before. Anything I can do to help with either of those things? 

[John R Ellis]

@PhotosbyPulelehua: "Using Generative AI to remove some background objects and it's not removing as well as say PS does."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Dario33844999kwmm]

Buongiorno

Purtroppo con l'ultima versione Lr Classic la rimozione generativa AI non funziona molto bene, problemi a rimuovere linee elettriche e altri oggetti sottili, per il momento devo usare photoshop, che questo fa un lavoro eccellente 

Grazie

[John R Ellis]

@Dario33844999kwmm: "problems removing power lines and other thin objects"

Detect Objects doesn't work well with thin objects, so uncheck it. See this previous post and my two replies for how to remove lines:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Majestic_Wish5C13]

It works awfully after the update. Prior, it wasn't the best but it worked rather well. I considered all the tips and hints about reflections and shadows, and as a result, I keep getting some glow of the object (person in this case) I try to remove. For Photoshop it works flawlessly.

[John R Ellis]

@Majestic_Wish5C13: " I keep getting some glow of the object"

Are you applying Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky or Background)?  If so, do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the AI mask; or delete the mask, do Remove, then reapply the mask. 

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[loyalt]

Thank you for the Early Access to Generative Remove. I am a professional photographer, both action sports and portraits. I am enjoying using this feature. There are many times, though, when it doesn't really remove the item circled, such as acne blemishes on high school seniors. That is my only suggestion. So far, it is very easy to use and I will use it often!  Thank you!

[John R Ellis]

@loyalt: "There are many times, though, when it doesn't really remove the item circled, such as acne blemishes on high school seniors."

Adobe recommends using the other remove tools for small spots: Remove mode with Generative AI unchecked (the old content-aware), Heal mode, or Clone mode.

[philchavanne]

I have 2 observations to share: (a) The white line bordering the AI Remove area makes it hard to see how smoothly the AI action blends with the rest of the photograph.. You have to accept a change to get this white line to disappear, then blow up the area to see the blend, and then redo if the blend isn't smooth. It would be useful to have a toggle to hide that line before selecting one of the 3 changes generated; (b) If 2 areas are selected that do not have the same level of light or shadow density, the AI Remove will get one right and the other wrong. I have to work with separate masks.

[John R Ellis]

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@philchavanne: "The white line bordering the AI Remove area makes it hard to see how smoothly the AI action blends with the rest of the photograph"

Set Tool Overlay to Auto:

When you move the mouse out of the photo proper, the overlay will disappear.

"If 2 areas are selected that do not have the same level of light or shadow density, the AI Remove will get one right and the other wrong."

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so Adobe can see the issue in detail. Call out the areas giving the problem.

[stevefry77]

My first impression is that it is flat-out horrible. I have tried it many times, and it just does not remove unwanted objects. What is seen in the video on the old West set is something I cannot duplicate. My latest attempt was an image of a white tablecloth upon which is part of a fork and a keychain. I try to remove the fork part, but all I get are different versions of a fork. Back to PS it is.

[John R Ellis]

@stevefry77: "My latest attempt was an image of a white tablecloth upon which is part of a fork and a keychain. I try to remove the fork part, but all I get are different versions of a fork."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[newplasticmachine]

Most of the time, the remove tool is comically bad. It's better in Photoshop, but in Lightroom its unusable, I export everything to photoshop. Lightroom is becoming an organisational tool, not much more.

[loyalt]

I find this comment to be a tad ridiculous and quite inaccurate. Lightroom
is fantastic as an editing tool, much more user friendly than PS and so
much more than just "an organizational tool." I am a professional sports
and portrait photographer and use Lightroom exclusively.

[John R Ellis]

@newplasticmachine: "the remove tool is comically bad."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.