P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

Posted by:

[John R Ellis]

@MPphoto: "STOP CENSORING IMAGES!!!!!!!"

See my reply here for how to provide constructive feedback about this:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[master_Gem0287]

no me sirve elemento de quitar en lightroom con la Ia

[Devon33609098zidk]

it fails every attempt i get a fail message it doent work 

[John R Ellis]

@Devon33609098zidk: "it fails every attempt i get a fail message it doent work"

Please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) of the error message, and we can advise how to fix the issue.

[Manuel38407307rqw1]

Estoy teniendo problemas con la eliminación generativa, no puedo usarla, cada vea que la uso me sale este mensaje "Eliminación generativa a fallado"

¿Como puedo solucionarlo?

[John R Ellis]

@Manuel38407307rqw1: "I'm having problems with generative elimination, I can't use it, every time I use it I get this message"

That error corresponds to this LR English error message:

"$$$/Clio/StatusCode/HTTP/Forbidden=We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later."

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

[Diebold Photographie]

Hi, I was so happy to see that adobe included AI to correct imperfections on photographies. Unfortunately, it doesn't work at all for me and it's worse than before the update. I just try to delete a very little thing on the top of my photography and the result give me a bigger imperfection than before...

Very disappointing when you see that a google smartphone can do better...

[John R Ellis]

@Diebold Photographie: "I just try to delete a very little thing on the top of my [photograph] and the result give me a bigger imperfection than before"

Removing objects along the edge of a photo requires a little extra care. First, uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. Second, undo any Crop, Lens Correction, and Transform, apply Remove, then reapply those commands. Remove tries to match the unselected cropped-out pixels.

For more details, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Darren25519603zxa6]

im finding the AI Remove tool very frustrating lately. when i try to remove an object, it always seems to replace it with a different variation of the object im trying to remove. also,im finding that unless the object is clear of anything else, it struggles. it claimes it removes from complex images but i find this not to be the case most of the time.Ai is of couse in its infancy,but of late it sem to be getting worse not better.

[John R Ellis]

@Darren25519603zxa6: "when i try to remove an object, it always seems to replace it with a different variation of the object im trying to remove. also,im finding that unless the object is clear of anything else, it struggles."

First, uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. If that doesn't help, then see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[björnr38703033]

So i shoot some fine art nude, not pornographic in any way, but it is nudity. The first time i tried using the AI tool on these images it refused to work. But on some newly taken images it works just fine. I then thought AHA, they have now changed this insane limit on nudity and i can now make some AI adjustements to the first images i tried this a long time ago.. but no, those images are still "flagged" somehow by the system.

Since the newly taken images are ok, have they changed the limitations on nudity? If so, why doesnt the tool work on the older filea?

[John R Ellis]

@björnr38703033: "Since the newly taken images are ok, have they changed the limitations on nudity? If so, why doesnt the tool work on the older files?"

Adobe Firefly's "safety" filters, like all such AI filters (including Google Gemini), are imperfect. It's pretty clear that Adobe and the other platforms would rather have too many false positives than false negatives, for legal and political reasons. So it could very possibly be coincidence that some of your older photos still get flagged and some of the newer ones don't. We'd need to test a larger test set to know confidently.

[Admired_Diamond5CDF]

Would be really cool if we could just put a ribbon,  black square , red square, censorship button or something to denote censorship of nudity and graphic images, right in lightroom without going to photoshop. I'm talking about something super simple, just for social media, nothing too detialed or complicated - would be cool if instagram actually let you apply censorship labels ontop of photos in app. but I think you guys should think about adding a VERY SIMPLE feature like this for lightroom classic and the mobile app. 

[C.Cella]

@Admired_Diamond5CDF 

You can censor images by apllying a radial filter with 0 Feather and Exposure -4 and Amount 200 in case

Export or publish with the censorish THEN hide the Correction used for censorship OR delete it.

[perfect_niceness8600]

Just tried the remove after the latest update. Fortuneately I had carried out some demanding removal of a car from this image using the previous version and I was pretty happy with the result. The new one delivers a consistently lower resolution result than the beta version. I have attached the best offering. If you compare the railings and the paving, the older is always sharper. 

[John R Ellis]

@perfect_niceness8600: "The new one delivers a consistently lower resolution result than the beta version."

I don't think the resolution of the replacement patches has changed -- Adobe Firefly has always returned 2048 x 2048 replacement patches. Something else might be going on, and it would be good to identify what and possibly file a bug report. To help, please select the "good" image, do the command Metadata > Save Metadata To File, and upload it and its .xmp sidecar (if it's raw) to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive, or some other free service and post the sharing link here.

[Montpat]

I find that generative deletion works pretty well on backgrounds or clearly defined objects... but there's still one big point to be dealt with: dust in light areas on old photos (slides or film) scanned or retaken with a digital camera.
Why do we still have to deal with these dusts or defects individually when we can easily highlight the defects? Why can't we select all the dusts in a photo by selecting just a few? This seems to me to be much simpler than these generative deletions. If you can solve this problem or if you have another solution to suggest, I'd love to hear from you.

Best regards, Patrick

[John R Ellis]

@Montpat: "Why do we still have to deal with these dusts or defects individually when we can easily highlight the defects?"

Please add your upvote and constructive opinion to this feature request;

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-pleases-add-dust-and-scratches-to-lr-classi...

[DhandaNot]

I am trying to select the cable to remove it. but after releasing the mouse, I find some other area is selected. Extremely frustrating. Lightroom Classic: 14.0.1 Release with Camera Raw 17.0

 

[John R Ellis]

@DhandaNot: "I am trying to select the cable to remove it. but after releasing the mouse, I find some other area is selected."

Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. 

Also, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[midroz]

With all due respect, this new remove feature does not work.  How do I get back to the original functionallity, which was much easier and efficient?

[John R Ellis]

@midroz: "this new remove feature does not work."

First, uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. If that doesn't help, then see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[C.Cella]

@midroz

No drastic changes have been done to Geerative Remove behavior or algorithms compared to spring 2024

It's is nearly the same as before.

What changed is that:

1. UI has been redesigned for and now there is a dedicated section for the creation AND a secrion for the currently selected Remove.

Alas in this redesign the "Opacity" slider has been removed form the creation section...this is a regression to what we had before (and was duly reported).

2. Detect Objects Remove now "Auto Expands" by 500 pixles  around the actual selection.

Again this supposedly is to include a bigger area and increase the Gen Remove success rate BUT in reality it only leads to selecting unwanted part of the image that we must "Subtract" ourselves.

A good intention, not really prorpely implemented.

As @John R Ellis says is best to disable and never use that mode until Adobe fixes it.

So overall Genrative Remove is basically the same as before with slightly new UI.

.The high failure rate is mostly due to the total lack of explanation of how to use the tool.

The article that John has linked will help.

Until we have text prompts Genrative Remove will always fail more than in Phothsop were users can instruct and describe what they want to generate.

[mariac4904784]

So very disappointed with the way regenertive ai is working tongiht.  I don't get what happened to it.   When taking out an eye sore builing in the background of the same set of photos- in the same exact background and foreground it did soooo good last month.    Now it keep replacing it with new buildings no matter what i do and i hit refresh like 50x . .it adds in ugly buildings, and random people and structures.  Total waste of 30 minutes of my time and now the couple were looking forward to the other images having the ugly building out of the sunset photos like it previously did and guess it cant be done as i am not spending another few hours waiting for it to be intelligent again. 

[John R Ellis]

Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.