P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[C.Cella]

As @John R Ellis said the models used by Photoshop and ACR are the same; in CR they run on RAW data.

But Generative Fill is vastly superior in Ps.

. In Ps we can type instructions.

. In Ps we can feather the fill/selection.

. In Ps we can movw the fill without triggering a refresh, which allows users to place it better...I fixed this in LrC using the SDK but due to lack of feathering it doens't work well.

. In Ps we can generate many variations without loosing the ones we have already.

. In Ps we can copy and paste the Genrative Remove to other images as it is (John has implemeted this in his Plug-in "Copy Settings" but Adobe doesn't allow it)

. In Ps we can erase part of the variation without losing it : refine subtracting in LrC is simply horrible.

. In Ps variations are presented as thumbnails which is better for usability.

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Gnrative fill is handicapped and vastly less usable in LrC than in Photoshop.

It's not a good port IMO. 

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[Playful_Charm15C3]

TLDR. - Photoshop generative AI works way better than the LrC

[MEH98026]

For Heaven's sake, Adobe.  JUST MAKE THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IN PHOTOSHOP AND LIGHTROOM (CLASSIC) WORK THE SAME!!!!!    The "Remove" function within LrC SUCKS whereas the one in PS does work.  I shouldn't have to jump from LrC to PS just to do a single function.  Get your act together!

[John R Ellis]

@MEH98026: "The "Remove" function within LrC SUCKS whereas the one in PS does work."

Generative Remove does work the same in both, but because of LR's non-destructive editing model, there are some things you have to spend a few minutes learning about in order to get the best results:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[jeff_5655]

My situation was to remove a large clip (from a clip on light) on the edge of the inside of a piano - tried your removal tool for the first time and it seemed to get the idea (unlike some AIs) but it took the 2nd variation to nail it. Saved me a HUGE amount of time. Very helpful.

[Lucas Saporiti]

The generative remove in LR doens't work most of the time. For exemple: when i try to remove people on background, in the most of time LR create a bizzare person instead of remove. The same happen when i try remove cables or elements on the walls. Instead of remove, LR create something bizzare. 

[John R Ellis]

@Lucas Saporiti: "when i try to remove people on background, in the most of time LR create a bizarre person instead of remove. The same happen when i try remove cables or elements on the walls."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[jeanleon83]

only part of the selected object was removed (  all 3 options)

[John R Ellis]

@jeanleon83: "only part of the selected object was removed"

1. Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johnw53783389]

Often when I use the generative AI remove feature it replaces instead of removing. For example, I tried to remove a person but it replaced it with another person. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?