P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[John R Ellis]

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@f8lee, also, the older Content-Aware Remove does a fine job removing the lines, doing one short segment at a time. To do Content-Aware Remove, select Mode: Remove and uncheck Use Generative AI.

[jos�_manuel33233]

Muy bueno

[Lana30886869tg7s]

The new version is terrible. the older version was much more intuitive and would remove objects in the background easily. Please go back to the older version. 

[jessielanawayphoto]

Completely agree.  The new version is absolutely terrible. 

[John R Ellis]

@Lana30886869tg7s: "the older version was much more intuitive and would remove objects in the background easily. "

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from an unmodified original photo in which LR 14 isn't doing as well as you'd like. There have been a number of complaints that LR 13 did it better, but so far no one has provided any examples, so the feedback isn't actionable.

[GerbenPhoto]

Hi! If I use Generative Remove in Lightroom and for instance want to remove somebody's head in the foreground it doenst remove the head, but replaceses is for another head. Why is that? I want to remove, not replace. 

[John R Ellis]

@GerbenPhoto: "remove somebody's head in the foreground it doesn't remove the head, but replaces it for another head."

You need to remove all parts of the person's body, including shoulders or arms or whatever that are disconnected from the head, and remove all shadows. If you leave any bits behind, Remove will try to match them.  See this article for an example and more details:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[tokyomagic]

Excellent, more useless AI rubbish bloating the software. 

When will adobe do an optimisation pass on lightroom?

[snoitanb]

On my first attempt to use it it wasn't even close.  It merely changed the appearance of the object I was trying to remove.

[John R Ellis]

@tokyomagic: "It merely changed the appearance of the object I was trying to remove."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[vikaaa]

Sometimes it does just fine, but other times the suggestions either don't blend in at all or the mask of what needs to be changed isn't functioning correctly. I don't think it recognizes the boundaries of the mask even when I subtract parts. It still alters the image in parts of the mask that were deleted before generating a suggestion. It's easier to just go into Ps Beta for generative fill at that point (even though it's a headache to plug my hard drive in/it slows down the system), but I enjoy being able to use the LrC version on smart previews.

I wish there was some kind of magnetic lasso function to make selection easier. I feel like there was a simliar function before, but I don't see it on my toolbar anymore. 

Also, if we can bring the "remove tool" from Ps over, that would be great lol the healing tool in Lr just doesn't do it for me. Thank you! 

[ksmch]

I just need to show it somebody) I was expected to generate lips without tongue. Likely I got that result  because of zone I masked was looks like an eye

[?ukasz_W3127]

Every now and then the elements I delete reappear and I get a message in that section: "some deletion settings need to be updated" and I have to use generative deletion again. In a moment (e.g. when I generate some photos) it happens again and again... (same with AI powered masks) And my generative points are taken away from me.

I ask for an immediate fix for this problem and a refund of the generative points.

Best regards

[christinag-g-photographer]

So, Lightroom Classic 14.0.1 - For me the Generative Remove works nicely, except that it constantly needs me to "update remove settings." If I go to another photo and come back, Update Remove Settings. When I export the photo as a jpg, the thing I removed is there! Even if I update and then directly export one file at a time, without clicking off it after updating, it may or may not export correctly. 

[John R Ellis]

@christinag-g-photographer: "Lightroom Classic 14.0.1 - For me the Generative Remove works nicely, except that it constantly needs me to "update remove settings."

LR 14.0 had a serious bug with this, and Adobe very quickly released 14.0.1 to fix it. But getting the fix to work appears to be quite fussy for many people (and Adobe has provided ambiguous direction on that score). See the second reply from Adobe employee Rikk Flohr at the top of the bug report thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requ...

If that doesn't help, then please post in that thread with details of what's going wrong. You're much more likely to resolve the issue in that thread than in this one.

[heybigmac]

hahahaha, its a joke and doesn't work.  Easier to print the image out and use tipex / whiteout. 

[TheBommel]

I get extreme amounts of posterisation when using generative removal or hdr panoramas

[John R Ellis]

@TheBommel: "I get extreme amounts of posterisation when using generative removal or hdr panoramas"

Since this is occurring with HDR panoramas also, it's not something specific to Remove. As a first troubleshooting step, update your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, start a new thread and include full resolution-screenshots (not phone pics) of what you're seeing and copy/paste the output from the menu command Help > System Info. (Don't reply in this thread.)

[Lukasz22018323g86j]

Hi, is there a way to set opacity before applying AI Removal to the image? I can't see that option anymore after the update and it allows me to adjust the opacity only after I remove an object with the tool which is very inconvenient. Would appreicate any help on that. 

[John R Ellis]

@Lukasz22018323g86j: "is there a way to set opacity before applying AI Removal to the image? I can't see that option anymore after the update and it allows me to adjust the opacity only after I remove an object with the tool which is very inconvenient."

Agreed. In LR 14, Adobe "simplified" the Remove user interface by hiding the Opacity slider until after you've clicked Remove. Because it uses the hidden previous setting of the slider, there are a number of posts here from people mistakenly thinking that Remove isn't working, merely because the Opacity slider is set less than 100 and LR did its best to hide that from them.

[Golden Lens Photography]

The removal of undesirable objects has become much worse, now the entire selected removal space is blurred/stained. Attached screenshot.

Cordially

Ines

[John R Ellis]

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@Golden Lens Photography: "The removal of undesirable objects has become much worse, now the entire selected removal space is blurred/stained."

This issue isn't new to LR 14 -- lots of similar examples from LR 13.  There are two possible causes of this:

1. You've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask. In general, Adobe's designed workflow is to apply Remove first, then masking.

2. Sometimes Generative Remove doesn't do a good job of blending the replacement against uniform backgrounds like skies.  You can often work around this by making the selection even more ragged or much larger (e.g. to include a much larger part of the sky).

If the issue with this photo is this second reason, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, to provide actionable feedback for Adobe.

[motivated_Mercury5F9A]

Saludos.

Tengo más de dos meses con la membresía y esta función IA regenerativo no me ha funcionado. He reistalado el programa y sigo con el mismo problema. 

[John R Ellis]

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@motivated_Mercury5F9A: "I have been a member for over two months and this regenerative AI feature has not worked for me."

LR's English translation of that error:

"$$$/Clio/StatusCode/HTTP/Forbidden=We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later."

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

[Fabriccio Díaz]

Hello I am writing to get help on a way to automate this type of image cleaning. It would be amazing that this could come as an auto detection of dust and scratches using the Visualize Spots funtion directly in Lightroom.  The first picture shows the original film scanned. It contains some little spots and tiny hairs.

The next picture shows the Remove tool enabled (Q) and the visualize spots also enabled.
After some time I managed to get rid of all the spots, but is there any way that Adobe can automate this?

Even if we can decide afterwards which white areas of the image we want to retain? This could help not just me, but many others too.