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Photos from catalog disappear after export

New Here ,
Aug 09, 2021 Aug 09, 2021

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Hey!


I've been using LR Classic for over a month. After exporting edited photos, they disappear from the catalog (although the catalog in the library list theoretically shows they are still there). It's highly problematic as I want to get back to them, re-edit them or (worse) I've managed to export only a few, leaving the rest to be exported and now I can't see them.

 

My work flow:

- I import photos from the external disc and build smart previews

- I edit photos using only smart previews

- I export ready photos to the exterenal drive.

 

I also have old-fashioned LR 5 and sometimes edit photos there. I belive my new LR Classic uses some data from the old LR to have the catalog tree etc (when installing LR Classic I was asked to show the existing catalog info or something of that sort). Can it cause such problems?

 

Please help!

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Oh, I use mac with macOS Mojave.

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LEGEND ,
Aug 09, 2021 Aug 09, 2021

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After exporting edited photos, they disappear from the catalog


How are you searching for these photos? Please be specific and detailed. Honestly, exporting does not cause photos to "disappear". Also, when you are looking for these photos, are you looking in a smart collection, or a regular collection, or a folder, or "All Photographs"?

 

although the catalog in the library list theoretically shows they are still there


I don't understand this at all. Please explain what this means in a lot more detail.

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New Here ,
Aug 10, 2021 Aug 10, 2021

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The problem appears when I look for the photos in the "Folder" tab. (see the screenshot)

By saying that "catalog in the library list theoretically shows they are still there" I meant that you can see the number of the photos in the folder.

Zrzut ekranu 2021-08-10 o 15.35.31.png

 

 What's interesting, I can find them in a Smart Collection (at least those that belong to a certain category).

Zrzut ekranu 2021-08-10 o 15.36.26.png

 

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Aug 10, 2021 Aug 10, 2021

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@JohanElzenga 

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The fundamental idea behind Lightroom however is that you have already saved your work without exporting it. The original image is catalogued, and the edits are saved in that catalog. The catalog contains all you need, when you need it. Exporting is meant to create a (temporary) image that is needed outside of Lightroom. The advantage of this approach is that you can export the image exactly the way you need it. If you need a large image because you want to order an online print, then you can export it at full size. If you need a photo for your website or to post on social media, then perhaps you will export it at 1000 pixels wide. And when you have used the image for its purpose, you do not save it in a folder that is catalogued again, but you can trash it. Because you can simply export it again if and when you need it again.

 

Ok, I'll try to explain it one more time, using the names you use.

The catalog should contain the original image (in my case raw file) + my edits but it doesn't. After I create what you call a "temporary image outside of Lightroom", e.i. export my edited photo, the catolog stops showing any content.  I see neither my original image nor my edits. When I try to find it in the "Folders" section, I can see the number of photos I've imported to the folder in the folder tree (please see the screen attached in my other reply in this thread) but I cannot really SEE them. They are visible however when I use Smart Collections (also the screen).

 

So summing up,  I cannot export the photos again, as I should be able to do, since after exporting them for the first time, I lose access to them (except for the "Smart Collection" section)

 

I've been using LR for many years already (just the non-cloud version) so I do believe I know how it works - at least to the extent I need it for my work.

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LEGEND ,
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When you find the photo in a Smart Collection, right-click on it and select Go To Folder in Library. The folder in the library should now be highlighted (you may have to scroll up or down to find the highlighted folder).

 

Does this locate the photo in a different folder? Or the same folder?

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Does this locate the photo in a different folder? Or the same folder?


By @dj_paige

 

I locates it in the same folder but still doesn't show it. It looks exactly as on my first screenshot - I'm in the folder but the folder doesn't display anything.

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LEGEND ,
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Turn off all filters. (Ctrl-L once or twice)

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All the filters are off (I repeatedly turned them on and off, just to make sure).

I suspect my whole problem appeared because I was using also the non-cloud Lr already when I had the AC Lr Classic installed, too. The two programs got kind of confused about it all (when I installed the new LR Classic I pointed the old LR Library so that it can import the whole "Folders" tree etc.)

 

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LEGEND ,
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Hard to imagine this is caused by using some other software. Try expanding all stacks in the Library Module ... Photos->Stacking->Expand All Stacks.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Aug 10, 2021 Aug 10, 2021

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This looks like catalog corruption. Do you make catalog backups? If so, replace your catalog by a backup from before this happened and see if that solves the problem.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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I don't think so but where can I check for one?

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@JohanElzenga 
and can I somhow rebuild the catalog? So that it's tidy and sorted again :-)?

I have already uninstalled the old LR so it shouldnt cause additional problems if that was the case.

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What do you mean "I don't think so"? You don't think that you make backups? You don't know if you make backups? In that case you probably do not. And no, I do not think you can rebuild a corrupted catalog. The only thing you could perhaps try is create a brand new catallg, and then use 'Import from Another Catalog' and import the old one into that new one. If you are lucky, that will create a new copy of your catalog without the corruption.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Sounds like you do not understand the philosophy behind Lightroom, and how the application works. If you export an image, then you create a new copy. That copy is not automatically added to the catalog, unless you check that option in the export dialog. So your copy doesn't "disappear", it just is not added to the catalog.

 

The fundamental idea behind Lightroom however is that you have already saved your work without exporting it. The original image is catalogued, and the edits are saved in that catalog. The catalog contains all you need, when you need it. Exporting is meant to create a (temporary) image that is needed outside of Lightroom. The advantage of this approach is that you can export the image exactly the way you need it. If you need a large image because you want to order an online print, then you can export it at full size. If you need a photo for your website or to post on social media, then perhaps you will export it at 1000 pixels wide. And when you have used the image for its purpose, you do not save it in a folder that is catalogued again, but you can trash it. Because you can simply export it again if and when you need it again.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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LEGEND ,
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  • Is that external drive connected?
  • Is that external drive asleep via power settings?
  • In your Export options, in Export Location, did you check on the Add to This Catalog button?

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LEGEND ,
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So one possibility not mentioned

 

Have you considered restoring (a.k.a. resetting) the preference file. The preference file can get corrupted leading to buggy behavior. The preference file will survive updates, upgrades, uninstalls, reinstalls. Note that this may revert some preference settings to defaults.

 

see: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/setting-preferences-lightroom.html

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