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Point Color - What effect does Range slider have?

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Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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Lightroom Classic 13.0.1  Camera Raw 16.0
Windows 10 Pro, Version 22H2, OS build 19045.3448

The new "Point Color" has a Range slider (with values from 0 to 100) which is supposedly independent of the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range sliders.

It is unclear why the Range slider is even there. It is unclear what values the Range slider represents. For example, if it has a value of 50, what does that mean with respect to the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range?

Once I set my Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range sliders I should know precisely my ranges.

However, the Range slider could also be adding something to those ranges so I would not know the actual ranges for Hue, Saturation, and Luminance.

If the Range slider has a value of 0, does it mean that it would not have any effect so one can assume the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range respresent the actual ranges?

Thank you in advance for the feedback.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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The range slider affects what nearby colors are affected by the tool. A bigger number on the range slider affects more nearby colors, a smaller number affects fewer nearby colors. You can see what colors in the photo are affected by clicking on "Visualize Range"; the colors not affected are actually then shown in black and white. By clicking the triangle to the right of the Range slider, you have even more control over what luminances are affected, what saturations are affected and what hues are affected.

 

There are plenty of videos on YouTube that demonstrate what I just said in motion and in color.

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Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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With the Visualize Range checked, as one changes the Range slider from 0 to 100, one sees the colors which are effected change. However, there is no visible change to the the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range which seems very strange. Why do they not change to reflect the range change by the Range slider?

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LEGEND ,
Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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These are independent tools, changing one tool has no impact on position of the other tool. (They both impact the photo)

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Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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Ugh! That sounds like a bug rather than a feature. There should be a checkbox to disable the Range slider when one does not want it involved. Thank you for the feedback.

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LEGEND ,
Oct 28, 2023 Oct 28, 2023

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Ugh! That sounds like a bug rather than a feature. There should be a checkbox to disable the Range slider when one does not want it involved. Thank you for the feedback.


By @Petrula

 

There is no direct one-to-one relationship between the Range slider and the Hue Range, Luminance Range and Saturation Range slider. Not a bug, a feature.

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Enthusiast ,
Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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In a nutshell:

Eyedropper selects the initial "point color" you are going to work with.

Hue/Sat/Lum shift sliders make the changes to that color.

Range slider controls range of adjacent 'like' colors to your initial point color will also be affected by the above

 -  You can tighten this up even more by using masks

 

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But you forgot to mention the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range sliders which are independent of the Range slider.

 

It is like having two managers. One manager tells you to paint the house blue while the other tells you to paint it green. If you do both at the same time, the result will be strange.

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But you forgot to mention the Hue Range, Saturation Range, and Luminance Range sliders which are independent of the Range slider.

 

It is like having two managers. One manager tells you to paint the house blue while the other tells you to paint it green. If you do both at the same time, the result will be strange.


By @Petrula

 

 I disagree. It's like having two different tools that do similar things, some overlap between the tools, but more fine control using the Hue Range, Saturation Range and Luminance Range controls.You can ignore the range slider and only use the Hue Range, Saturation Range and Luminance Range controls, if that works for you. And you can do the opposite to, just use the range slider and ignore the Hue Range, Saturation Range and Luminance Range tools, if that works for you. A clear improvement over having just one tool, and a clear improvement over having the HSL sliders.

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In a nutshell:

Eyedropper selects the initial "point color" you are going to work with.

Hue/Sat/Lum shift sliders make the changes to that color.


By @bhousto90

 

not discussing the "shift" sliders, but the "range" sliders and tools.

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Oct 27, 2023 Oct 27, 2023

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Hold Alt/Option to activate the "Color on BW" overlay as you change the sliders.

No need to click "Visualize range".

 

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