Process Version 6 Color Issues

[makedits]

I edit Canon CR3 RAW files, and the HSL sliders on Process Version 6 in Lightroom Classic are very buggy. For example, increasing the Orange saturation decreases the overall saturation of Yellow, making the image look cooler. Decreasing the saturation of Magenta to -100 makes the Reds way too saturated, etc.

The worst part is when I switch to process version 5 or 4 and then make any adjustments, it automatically switches to PV6. I attached a screen recording of this issue.

How do I keep the process version locked at 5?

I tried uninstalling and reinstalling LR Classic and making a new catalog, but I still had the same issue.

I'm on MacOS Sonoma 14.3, M2 MacBook Pro, Lightroom Classic 13.1, Camera Raw 16.1.

[GoldingD]

What is occurring, showing up, in your history panel when this occurs?

And wondering if a video showing the entire screen might show something.

[makedits]

I have now attached a full-screen video. Notice how the process version keeps switching back to 6 but doesn't show up in the History log.

[drtonyb]

@makedits 

You can't lock any prior Process Version. Any adjustments change PV to 6. This is as designed.

Your attached screen recording shows very little that can be used to help you.

I have not encountered any problems like those you have described with HSL in PV 6.

Testing with a raw photo (NEF) of a colour chart, increasing Orange Saturation does not change Yellow at all. Likewise, decreasing Magenta Saturation has no visible effect on Red.

More information is needed from you to help resolve your issue.

[makedits]

You can't lock any prior Process Version. Any adjustments change PV to 6. This is as designed.

But I don't understand why they would design it this way. Previously, when PV5 was the latest, I could switch to PV 4 or 3, and it would stay locked to that. PV6 clearly has different color hues. Imagine you're a professional product photographer where color accuracy is crucial. You update LR, update every edited photo to the latest process version, and all your colors look slightly off. You go back to make some changes, and it keeps switching back to something you don't prefer. If it's a few photos, then sure, I can spend some time and play with the HSL sliders to somehow match my previous edit. But when it's a matter of hundreds of photos, things do get frustrating.

I have attached a video and two photos showing how buggy my color renditions are with PV6. All I did was Green saturation -100 and then Orange saturation +58. That should not be changing the colors of the greens in the background so drastically. This wasn't the case with previous process versions.

[drtonyb]

@makedits,

I'm sorry, but your video and images only show the change between Green Sat -100 and Green Sat -100 + Orange Sat +58 for PV 6. You seem to be saying that you prefer PV 5, but haven't shown the difference you see between the two Process Versions.

[makedits]

Doesn't change the fact that this behavior is not normal. Increasing orange saturation should not change other colors, PV 6 or not. And I can't show you how the changes are rendered with pv 5 because it keeps switching to 6. That's the whole problem in the first place...

[drtonyb]

@makedits,

Make the HSL changes which will be for PV 6 and take a screen shot; change to PV 5 in the Calibration panel and take another screen shot.

My attached screen shots: first is PV6; second is PV 5 witht he same HSL adjustments. The difference is very small. However, that doesn't really help because your image has different colours to my image.

Are you willing to share a raw image so that others can test?

I doubt that talking to Adobe will get you anywhere.

When PV 6 was added to LrC 12.4, any Develop Adjustment updated the PV to 6. This was a change from previous versions of LrC that kept the PV unchanged. Why this was done is a mystery. You can always request a change to allow the PV to be kept.

[makedits]

RAW or JPEG, it is the same for me across all devices and images.

Here's a PV 5 version with the same settings applied. Green sat -100, Orange sat +58. There is a clear shift in the greens. PV 5 keeps the overall greens intact/unchanged whereas PV6 desaturates the greens further. I have attached all three versions below and they all have noticeable color shifts.

PV5, Green Sat -100, Orange Sat +58

PV6, Green Sat -100, Orange Sat +58


PV6, Green Sat -100, Orange Sat 0

Why they ever decided to change the PV to 6 when any adjustments are made is beyond me. Since in previous versions of LRC, this wasn't the case, PV was kept unchanged. I'll probably request this feature to be added moving forward.

Thanks for chiming in on this.

[drtonyb]

@makedits 

I see a difference between PV 6 and PV 5 in your latest image samples, but my perception is not a huge difference.

I got my examples around the wrong way - Orange Sat -100 and Green Sat +58, but it doesn't make much difference when comparing PV 6 to PV 5.

Sharing your RAW file might help understand the issue.

[GoldingD]

Have you considered resetting LrC preferences file?

Carefully read:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

[makedits]

I just reset all my preferences by going to Preferences - General, holding the opt key and pressing Reset all preferences and relaunch.

Still the same issue...

[GoldingD]

Defiantly time to start a chat with Adobe. And during the chat, be assertive to request an actual Adobe Tech. Probably on Monday, but what the heck give it a try.

[makedits]

Yes, absolutely. Thanks for trying to help.

I was just wondering, is this happening on your end as well? Or are you able to keep your process version locked after changing it?

[GoldingD]

Yes, absolutely. Thanks for trying to help.

I was just wondering, is this happening on your end as well? Or are you able to keep your process version locked after changing it?

By @makedits

'I could not duplicate.

That statement is in error, I can duplicate.

[makedits]

I just installed LR Classic on a Windows 10 laptop for the first time, and I am having the same issue. I don’t understand why others, like you, do not have this, but I do. The only guess remaining is something is wrong with my Adobe account. But my account should not have any effect on how an application behaves.

I will try contacting Adobe support this coming week and see what they say.

[GoldingD]

I just installed LR Classic on a Windows 10 laptop for the first time, and I am having the same issue. I don’t understand why others, like you, do not have this, but I do. The only guess remaining is something is wrong with my Adobe account. But my account should not have any effect on how an application behaves.

I will try contacting Adobe support this coming week and see what they say.

By @makedits

Are you using the same catalog?

[makedits]

Completely new catalog. All settings are at their default state.

[GoldingD]

Well, thinking back, my test would have not involved a CR3 file.

Do you have other RAW file images, perhaps from an earlier Canon, do they misbehave.

I do not think I have a CR3 available, Migrated from Canon to Fuji, last was CR2.

Can you post an example to say DropBox?

Note that I was testing going back and forth in process version, not the RAW interpretation issues.

[makedits]

This is happening when editing a JPEG on the Win laptop. JPEG or RAW, it's happening across all devices for me. So yeah, file type is not the issue I suppose.

[GoldingD]

Ok, I decided to test again, As in did I foul the test up. Using my test catalog (a catalog I keep for such purposes) I found another members CR3 file that was shard for testing of another issue.

Dang if I can now repeat your process version bug. And I can repeat it using a RAF file of my own (Fuju X-T5).

I suspect I tested incorrectly, probably something foolish on my part.

will get back in a bit, I nee to check something.