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Successive Object Selections in a mask without hitting ADD

Enthusiast ,
Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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Windows PC, LRC 13.

I want to select an area in an image.  Select subject (or background or sky) doesn't do it.  Select Object does a good job if I just select a small section of what I want.  Now I want to ADD to my object selection to get more of my "subject", and another one and another one.  I may want to get 4 or 5 different selections into my object and have it in the mask...

HOW do I create the other objects WITHOUT having to LEAVE my place in the image, go all the way up to the top right, press Add AGAIN, go all the way back, do the selection, then repeat this every time?  I don't care if each selection is a separate Object (if it has to be), I just don't want to have to keep going back and forth and hitting Add over and over to create another of the same type of selection.

 

I thought I saw a presentation where the person created 8 or 9 objects in the mask and I don't recall ever seeing him go all the way up and hit Add every time - is there a keyboard shortcut I can't find, am I doing something wrong with how I'm doing the selection, or is this just a Lightroom limitation?

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Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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I can't think of a way.

 

Maybe you've seen a demo of Photoshop's new Object Selection tool?

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Enthusiast ,
Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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I just spent the last week watching the Photoshop Summit, so I took my image over there and tried a similar thing.  You may be right 'cause in PS I can select a bunch of different objects THEN drop them into a mask...  I THINK I'm so used to using the brush in Lightroom, where I can brush, then brush, then brush something else, and ALL of them are in 1 brush.

I keep trying to do more stuff in Lightroom rather than Photoshop, but this seems like a deficiency in the Lightroom masking. 

 

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Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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It's the difference between Photoshop and Lightroom. Photoshop can make selections, and then create a mask of such selection. You can also work with selections without making masks, because Photoshop masks are layer-based and you do not always have to use layers. Lightroom cannot make such 'stand alone' selections. Its selections are masks, but masks in Lightroom are not layer masks.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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LEGEND ,
Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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To Correct the current Object, say if not all the object got masked, click on Add at the bottom and select perhaps Brush, then Add as you see fit, and of course selecting Subtract then brush to remove.

 

To add additional objects, also in the current mask, click on that Add at the bottom then Object, and Add as you see fit in your current mask, repeat if desired

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Nov 05, 2023 Nov 05, 2023

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@GoldingD He knows that. What he asks is if you can select multiple objects in the base mask, rather than having to add each additional object as a new sub-mask. I agree with @john beardsworth that he probably looked at a video about Photoshop, not Lightroom Classic, because I also wouldn't know how to do what he asks.

 

 

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New Here ,
Mar 04, 2024 Mar 04, 2024

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Dave, the functionality you described and want is the normal functionality within Adobe Camera Raw. Similar to the paintbrush, the object selection tool works continuously throughout the entire selection (starting and stopping endlessly, without selecting Add or otherwise). In mid 2022 an Adobe pro in this forum said that a repair ticket had been initiated to repair the problem in Lightroom. I am hoping by writing about this again that we can learn the status of the repair, that will provide the same functionality in LR.  

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Enthusiast ,
Mar 04, 2024 Mar 04, 2024

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It's good to know it's in ACR, though I'm not USING ACR.  I was HOPING there was some way to make the object selection in the Lightroom masks less cumbersome...  Doesn't sound like it's going to happen.

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Explorer ,
Feb 04, 2025 Feb 04, 2025

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Just wondered whether there's been an update on this? I also seem to recall it being possible at some point in the past via holding down the shift or comand key, and not only in ACR (which I never use).

 

Just workign on some files that really highlights the frustration of having to keep repeating three steps to make a multiple Object selection for one mask (Add > Object > make section). Logically, Maskig should allow repeated selections for Objects, the way it does with Brush. The process seems so time-consuming I decided to document the steps required on the next edit, a coat with 5 metals clasps, of which 3 are open, making a total of 8 seperate Objects. They all require the same treatment (so I want them on one mask). The process to achieve this feels frustratingly lengthy due to the number of clicks required to repeat steps (and the fact that LrC keeps closing the Mask tool in between).

 

  • Mask > Create New Mask > Objects > make selection: x 11, a total of 33 steps (should only need to do this once, at the start, but LrC keeps closing the Mask tool).
  • Select mask > Add > Object > make section: x 8 times, 24 steps (ie for initial selection of 8 objects objects with a hard outline).
  • Select mask > Subtact > Select Object > make selection: 10 times, 30 steps (because although Select Object picks the clasp, it also picks some of the leather strips attaching it, which I don't want - but selecting with Brush > AutoMask is even less accurate).
  • Select mask > Subtact  > Brush x 3,  9 steps.  (This (mercifully) works logically, allowing repeated actions without requiring the tool to be re-selected each time).
  • Select mask to edit (again) > Add  > Brush x 3, 9 steps.

I now have an 8 object mask consisting of 22 different sub-masks, which I estimate it took at least 105 steps to achieve - ie mouse click tool selections, not counting brushstrokes.

 

I searched for the comment made by an Adobe professional saying a ticket has been raised but was unable to find anything. Does anyone have any insights? 

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