Lightroom: Please add lens profile support for more Sony/Minolta lenses.

[Jeremy 2]

Please add lens profile support for more Sony/Minolta lenses.

[curiousmike]

Could you please provide a projected Alpha lens implementation time frame?

[MadManChan2000]

Now. The Camera Raw 8.4 Release Candidate already has new lens profiles for the following Sony Alpha lenses.

Sony 20mm F2.8
Sony 24mm F2 ZA SSM
Sony 35mm F1.4 G
Sony 50mm F1.4
Sony 50mm F1.4 ZA
Sony 50mm F2.8 Macro
Sony 85mm F1.4 ZA
Sony 85mm F2.8 SAM
Sony 135mm F1.8 ZA
Sony DT 11-18mm F4.5-5.6
Sony DT 16-50mm F2.8 SSM
Sony DT 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 ZA
Sony DT 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 SAM II
Sony DT 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 SAM
Sony DT 30mm F2.8 Macro SAM
Sony DT 35mm F1.8 SAM
Sony DT 50mm F1.8 SAM
Sony DT 55-200mm F4-5.6 SAM
Sony DT 55-300mm F4.5-5.6 SAM

[simonsaith]

There is no need to log on to photoshop.com to download the profile. The login part is only needed if you want to rate or comment on a particular profile. Adobe no longer supports this part of the original photoshop.com service. Thus the login error that you saw.

To get back to your original profile download question, You just need to select the row of the profile that you want to download, then hit the Download button. The Location column of the profile would be changed from “Online” to “Installed”. The button text will change to "Delete". Relaunch LR/PS to have the application pick up the downloaded profile. It is simple as that. There is no save file dialog necessary.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

That's nice if you use ACR but I would like to have the lens profiles available in Lightroom 5.3 for at least the two lenses I mentioned. I see the 2.8 16-50mm lens profile is in ACR. The Sony 70-300 G 4.5-5.6mm lens which has been available for some time is not listed above.

Thanks.

[MadManChan2000]

Sure. You'll need to wait for the next dot release of Lr.

[ccastleb]

We recently added the Sony 70-300 G 4.5-5.6mm and many more to LR5.6/ACR8.6 which is available now.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Thanks.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

I also have a Sony A-200 (A200) with the Sony Alpha DT 18-70/3.5-5.6 (SAL1870) and the Minolta AF 50/1.7. I really wish these profiles were supported! Bernd Werner - are you interested in collaborating on something?

[ccastleb]

We added the DT 18-70 in Camera Raw/Lightroom 8.7. You will need to upgrade your copy of Photoshop or Lightroom or download and install the 8.7.x DNG Converter to get the profile. We do not have a copy of the older Minolta 50mm f1.7 to build a profile from, but you might be able to locate a user-generated profile via the Adobe Lens Profile Downloader.

Regards,

- Chris

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

When I got Photoshop CC 2017 I presumed there would be a ton of Minolta lens profiles, what with being around for decades and the A mount having been adopted by Sony. Nope, CC 2017 came with with a paltry few, none of which were AF! No Maxxums.




Mildy irritated, I downloaded the Lens Profile Downloader.

Is this some kind of joke? There are NO MINOLTA lenses on there. Minolta wasn't even listed! So I looked under Sony. Still, not a single Minolta A mount (And Sony just announced another A mount camera).

Adobe understands that Sony bought Minolta's imaging division and the Alpha is based on Minolta, right?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

When I got Photoshop CC 2017 I presumed there would be a ton of Minolta lens profiles, what with being around for decades and the A mount having been adopted by Sony. Nope, CC 2017 came with with a paltry few, none of which were AF! No Maxxums.




Mildy irritated, I downloaded the Lens Profile Downloader.

Is this some kind of joke? There are NO MINOLTA lenses on there. Minolta wasn't even listed! So I looked under Sony. Still, not a single Minolta A mount (And Sony just announced another A mount camera).

Adobe understands that Sony bought Minolta's imaging division and the Alpha is based on Minolta, right?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

The Minolta Maxxum AF 50mmf 1.7 is like $20 on ebay.

I have an A6000 with both Sony A-Mount adapters (LA-EA2 ad LA-EA4) to use all that great (and inexpensive) Minolta glass. These are the Minolta A Mount lenses I have (made by various companies):

Minolta Maxxum AF 50mm f1.7

Minolta Maxxum AF 28mm f2

Minolta AF Zoom 20-35mm f3.5-4.5

Minolta Maxxum AF 70-210mm f4

Tamron AF 28-105mm f4.5-5.6 (IF) [lens itself says 179D for Minolta AF A-mount]

Sony sal35f18 DT35mm f1.8 SAM

Sony sal1118 11-18mm f4.5-5.6

[ccastleb]

Hello. You might try applying the profile from the Minolta MD 50mm f/1.7. It's possible that the optical formula is the same (6 elements/5 groups) as the Maxxum and Alpha editions of this classic lens.

[ccastleb]

Hi.

Most of these older Minolta lenses preceded the lens corrections feature in Camera Raw and Lightroom, and many were out of production (supplanted by Sony-branded equivalents) at the time the feature was released.  Several of the Maxxum lenses share the same optical formulas as the Sony Alpha lenses with the same specifications and can be used with the older Minolta-branded models. You can apply them and set a new Lens Profile Default so Lightroom will automatically recognize them in future imports. 

The Minolta MD film SLR lenses in the screen shot above were generated in house from a personal collection of one of our teammates (me). 

Regards,

- Chris

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Camera calibration? Does this apply to PS & ACR?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

I am also upset by the continuing lack of Minolta lens profiles. They offer Minolta MC & MD lens profiles, which are not even supported by Sony.

Adobe does not list even a single A mount lens. The Minolta AF Maxxums are A mount (Alpha) and can be used natively on many Sony bodies, or with the Sony LA-EAx adapters.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Adobe no doubt has better channels to Sony than the average consumer does. How about giving us those email addresses and numbers?

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Adobe seem truly confused by the Alpha/A acquisition and the resulting chaos of terms. Adobe gives us MC and MD lens profiles instead of the Minolta A mount that the Alphas were originally based on.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

It's 2017 and they still seem unaware that the Alpha mount was originally the A Mount (until Sony added the E mount to the Alpha lineup, confusing things quite a bit).

Adobe thinks they are catching up by adding E/FE lenses, while still failing to give us Minolta A mount AF lens profile. So many Minolta A mount lenses out here, and still no Adobe support.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

A Sony Alpha lens is not always an Alpha lens 🙂 except by Sony's hacknied retroactive redefinition.

Alpha was a Minolta standard, and the A Mount was synonymous. That's why Sony's Alphas originally (and still do) feature A mounts (and then Sony muddied the waters with the addition of "alphas" with E mounts).

What we need from Adobe are A Mount lens profiles (Minolta, Sony, etc), not Minolta MD and MC support. Minolta MC and MD are not supported by Sony. Minolta A Mount lenses like the AF Maxxums are supported by Sony- both natively (like with the brand new Alpha A99II), or via the Sony LA-EAx on an E mount.

I am absolutely boggled that Adobe ACR has yet to support a single Minolta Maxxum or for that matter, any Minolta A Mount lens!

I know this is confusing but Adobe has had years to research it.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

If not for you, it looks like Adobe ACR would not have any Minolta support at all!

Minolta MC and MD are even older, and, not even supported by Sony.
The Alpha originated with Minolta, and the "A" in A mount was actually short for Alpha. (Sony later muddied things by adding the E mount some time after they acquired Minolta's imaging division).

The Minolta A Mount lenses are natively supported to this day on Sony bodies (as seen on the new Alpha99-II) or via Sony's LA-EAx adapters (2 and 4 support AF) on E mount bodies (both APS-C and Full Frame).

There is an active economy in Minolta A mount lenses via Ebay, Facebook, Amazon, etc., precisely because they are very popular with Sony users. I am sure Adobe can afford some used Ebay A Mount lenses. Heck, get the Tamron or Sigma A mounts for that matter- they are also popular with Sony users (the price is so right!).


> "Several of the Maxxum lenses share the same optical formulas as the Sony Alpha lenses"

I admit to skepticism. Can Adobe post citations? And if true (I have read that even the early knockoffs by Sony had minor changes from Minolta designs), Adobe needs to let us know exactly which Sony branded lenses are clones of which Minolta lenses. Can you arrange this verification?

Also, a lot of us E & FE body users are using the Sony LA-EA2 or LA-EA4 adapters (supports Minolta and Sony A Mount AF lenses, as well as other brands). Obviously we lose about half a stop worth of light with these adapters. But there's the hairer question of whether or not these profiles would be accurate.

That is, we have the variable of sensor size; would an A Mount lens profile created on A6000 with a LA-EA2 create a valid profile for, say, use on a Alpha99II? Or the other way around?

The adapter also adds distance between lens and sensor. How might this affect efficacy of A Mount lens profiles (either in generating profiles or in using them)?

[ccastleb]

Unfortunately we don't have the resources to locate and profile all the Minolta versions of the Alpha lens line. It would be ideal if we did, but the reality is, we don't. This is one of the drivers behind providing the free Adobe Lens Profile Creator. Customers who have these lenses can use this tool to generate, and share if they like, profiles for the Maxxum or any older line of lenses.

The adapters you mention would mainly affect the vignette corrections between an SLR type body and a mirrorless, but only slightly in my experience. Any variance can usually be resolved by adjusting the Vignette slider on the Lens Corrections tab. You can set a Lens Profile Default to set this adjustment for all future camera/lens combinations that match the profile being applied.

The other issue with the adapters the lens metadata written to the raw files. Sometimes it is different than the metadata written when a lens is attached to its native mount (i.e. without the adapter). Since this metadata is used by the profile matching logic, automatic matching may not work. This is where setting Lens Profile Defaults can help provide a hint to matching logic.

[ccastleb]

It's mainly the result of when the lens correction feature was originally released, which lenses were available on the retail market at that time, and the resources Adobe had to perform the manual profiling process. 

We have produced profiles for a significant number of Alpha lenses with the Sony brand. Some of the early models were rebranded from Minolta to Sony, so lens profiles may work fine with either. However, they may not auto match if the lens metadata differs too much between the Sony/Minolta branded versions.

Adobe does not generally purchase older, out pf production lenses to profile. To assist customers with this gap in profiles, we released the free Adobe Lens Profile Creator and Downloader.

The MD/MC lenses were part of my personal collection.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Terry,
Ideally, you should create your own profiles with your camera and lenses with the profile creator  software. Then any sample variations would match your lenses.  Of course this is very time consuming and you have to follow the instructions exactly
I've not done this myself, I have downloaded profiles for Minolta lenses using the down loader software. These have been provided by users who have created their own profiles.  They work well enough for me. I'm mainly interested in distortion corrections. An example of a profile that I use a lot is one for the Minolta 70-210mm f4.  
I love my Minolta AF and Minolta MF (Rokkor) lenses, but sadly I'm not confident in a bright future for the Alpha system. Though Sony has just introduced the A99II, an excellent, camera, when was the last time they introduced any new lenses?  If Sony is only offering token support for the system, I personally don't expect much attention from 3rd party companies (Adobe). For example, Sigma is not longer offering new lenses in Alpha mount.  Tamron is, but but not until they've made significant profit form other mounts, i.e. Canon and Nikon.
The FE mount cameras and lenses are what are selling and Sony needs to go with what sells (if they want to stay in business). As unhappy as it may make many of us. We can complain all we like, but the only thing we can really do to help is get out there and buy Alpha mount product and hope that many others do as well!  

[Lumigraphics]

I have some 150,000 images taken with an A100, A700, and A850. Unfortunately, my entire Sony system was stolen a few years ago. The insurance money bought me new Canon gear which is fantastic, but I have no way to generate lens profiles as i no longer have the lenses.

I mostly used a Minolta 50mm f/1.7, Minolta 70-200 f/4 beercan, and Minolta 28-135 f/4-4.5. All of those were and are popular and good-quality lenses.

Bottom line is that I have no way to correct any of my old RAW files. :sigh: