P: Local adjustments and crops don't copy or work in presets applied to rotated photos

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Copying Radial filter effect, between portrait format images in Ligthroom5, that were taken with opposite camera rotation (one rotated clokwise, other counterclockwise) results the effect appears on mirrored position. lightroom 5.7.1 Mac v

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Please see the official post at the top of the thread. This would fall into the realm of a feature request. I will double check with Smit but I believe his post to this thread may have been in error.  I apologize for any confusion. 

[johnrellis]

I changed this topic to "Idea" (feature request).

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

This fundamental problem is crippling for portrait shooters. To get an identical crop for portrait orientation between PSD (saved in PS) and RAW (in Lightroom):

1. Create a virtual copy of the RAW, remove the crop
2. Edit in Photoshop, rotate 90 degrees CW (clockwise), save as PSD
3. Back in LR, rotate the PSD CCW (counter-clockwise)
4. Sync the crop with the original RAW to get identical cropping

Having to do this with a series of portrait shots with mixed RAW and PSD is an excessive amount of extra work. And if you were looking at thumbnails for those PSD's outside of LR, they are all rotated 90-degrees CW or CCW.

[Ai3x]

Please note, this is essentially modified public duplicate of LRD-4204376. We have a lot of users finding this issue so I thought it would be useful to make a version they could comment on and collect more information on cameras affected.

Problem Description:
Applying a preset containing a radial or brush based adjustment will often transform the adjustment and 'squish' it over the image. While in some portrait images the adjustment is rotated 90 degrees, in others it's squished. This all appears to relate to how lightroom considers the image. Some portrait images are considered portrait (eg 4000px x 6000px), other portrait images are considered landscape images (eg 6000x4000) rotated 90 degrees. There doesn't seem to be consistency with how these are treated when applying presets.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Create a preset with a circular radial filter or use a commercial preset with a brushmask (eg Meridian Presets LLFx Meg Loakes Celestial) 
2. Apply this preset to an affected portrait image
3. The radial or brushmask will appear squished

Actual Result:
A variety of different results. Sometimes the preset will appear squished in the preview, sometimes not. Sometimes it will appear squished when applied, sometimes not.

Expected Result::
Preset applied as per landscape image but rotated 90 degrees

Any Workarounds:
Use a plugin. The photo:applyDevelopPreset(presetToApply, _PLUGIN) method appears to treat all portrait images the same, simply rotating the preset to match the orientation of the image.

[gerald5C9C]

I'm chiming in from another thread that I started recently. John_R_Eliis mentioned this may be a better venue for the issue I am experiencing. 

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I found a bug a when pasting Develop Settings >Transform to HDR images. 

When I past a guided transform setting from my base exposure onto an HDR image made from the base and two other exposures, the transform guides are loaded incorrectly/ sideways. This issue only seems to affect portrait orientation images that are merged into an HDR file. 

I document exhibitions for galleries with florescent lights which need an HDR treatment in the lights/ ceiling. I only composite the HDR section of the overhead lights into my base exposures to ensure accurate color and tone of the artwork and interior space throughout the shoot. Otherwise, I would only work on the HDR image and this would not be a problem. 

If I understand correctly and my issue falls under Rikk's explanation of "behavior is as designed", I would argue that this behavior is a critical error and would only benefit Lightroom's users to correct it. 

I'm working with a FUJI GFX100, 2019 MacBook Pro 16'' running OS10.15.6 with Lightroom Classic CC 9.4

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Using Auto Sync or pasting the Local Adjustments afterward pastes the adjustments rotated 90º clockwise.  That sucks.  Is there any workaround?  The photos themselves have not been rotated.

Mac OS 10.14.6

Lightroom Classic 10.0

Camera Raw 13.0

[cehilton]

I'm requesting that Adobe add the ability to include crop ratio when creating a custom Develop preset. 

The retained custom crop history isn't big enough. 

If I could make a history item sticky that would satisfy my current need but a preset would be better.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This thread is being merged into an existing authoritative thread for better tracking and response. 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Updates to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products for Desktop, Mobile and Web were released today and contain a fix for this issue.

Please refresh your Creative Cloud application and install your update when it becomes available. Thank you for your patience.

[johnrellis]

This bug has been partially fixed in LR 10.2, for crops, Graduated Filters, and Adjustment Brushes:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-10-bug-copysync-cro... 

Before pasting or syncing the crop and local adjustment settings, select the target photo(s) and do Metadata > Save Metadata To File. Or set the option Catalog Settings > Metadata > Automatically Write Changes Into XMP.

[johnrellis]

LR 10.2 fixes only some of the many problems with copying crops and local adjustments.  I've written a memo analyzing the problems described in this thread and others and providing a straightforward method for correcting them:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-correct-copying-of-crops-an... 

[waltoncreative]

As well as transforms swopping when syncing with the opposite format I have found another annoying error...

When syncing changes to radial filters on one image that has a set of virtual copies cropped differently Lightoom Classic now no longer places the radial filters in exactly the same relative positions.

Meaning a bridge in the middle of an image with a radial filter added will not be in the same relative position and not even the same size as the original when synced to other virtual copies.

This never happened before. Can I strongly suggest scrapping 10.3 and going back to the version when transforms actually worked properly?

[johnrellis]

I released the Copy Settings plugin, which correctly copies local adjustments, spot removals, transforms, and crops between photos. It also lets you define presets for which settings should be copied.  I'm hoping that Adobe will fix all the bugs with Copy/Synchronize Settings soon, but meanwhile, this plugin will get the job done.

[waltoncreative]

Hooray. This is just what I need.

Thank you!

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

When I copy and paste settings from one photo to another, Lightroom Classic will enlarge and reposition the Radial masks I have in the copied settings, and continue to do so until they are massive.

This is a huge problem for me, as I sometimes shoot similar photos over and over, and need to individually paste, then correct the pasted setting slightly. I now have to reset the radial masks every time I paste settings. 

After about 10 pastes, a radial mask the size of the image will be about 2x it's starting size, so off the screen.

To clarify, if I copy one photo's settings, then paste it to multiple other photos, every time it gets pasted the 'copied' information changes the size of the radial mask, so each paste gets a larger set of radial masks than the last. Frustrating as you can imagine with hundreds of images.

[johnrellis]

Why conversations get merged:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-auto-import-to-folders-orga... 

[johnrellis]

As a workaround while waiting for this bug to get fixed, see the previous post about the Copy Settings plugin.

[Maurice5FFC]

I want to synchronize all my settings in develop modul, but Lightroom Classic makes weird things with my masks and transformation.

Lightroom Classic-Version: 11.0 [ 202110120910-0bccc70d ]

I can reproduce the error on at least two different systems:
Step 1 edit one image
Step 2 select the second image
Step 3 syncronize all settings

Attached you will find two screenshots of how the masks turn out on the original and on the synchronized image.

I hope anyone can help.

Kind regards,

Maurice

[johnrellis]

1. Is one image a raw and the other a TIFF or PSD created from that raw? 

2. Is the raw in portrait or landscape?

[Earth Oliver]

yes, if the crop is different on the other files, syncing will fail. This has been bugged for months and months now.

[johnrellis]

@Maurice5FFC, One we confirm the details of your problem, I can likely provide a solution and we can get your problem report merged with the correct bug report (or file a new one if necessary).

[Maurice5FFC]

Thank you for your quick response!

We are talking about uncropped, original dng files. Unfortunately I can`t provide them because they are not mine. I am just the photo editor. It happend to portrait and landscape images.

The photographer told me, that some images were rotated inside the camera. I gues it has something to do with that.

Best regards,

Maurice

[johnrellis]

Without actual sample files and/or more details, it will be difficult to confirm that you are tripping over the known bugs. Perhaps you can ask the photographer for permission to post two of the existing files or for sample files that show the problem.

If a) the sources of the copy/sync settings are portrait raw/DNGs, b) the target of the copy/sync settings are TIFFs or PSDs created in Photoshop (or the copy/sync is going in the opposite direction), then you likely are tripping over the known bugs.  As a workaround, you could use the Copy Settings plugin.

[johnrellis]

Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge with the existing thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/lightroom-classic-local-adjustments-and-crops...

[Naturehumaine]

Hi,
A problem after a new version of LR (MacOS, 10.15.7 ; LR 5.5). Copy Paste of mask aren't at the good place. The mask on the new photo is rotated and translated.

How can i fix this problem ?

Kinds regards