Colours have changed dramatically in Lightroom

[KKMMTTT]

Hi Guys,

This is my first time posting so apologies if I don't do it correctly.  I need help please and any advice would be gratefully received. 

I was playing around with in-camera double exposures for a client who does yoga and mindfulness.  Last week I made this double exposure of her hand, which was a silhouette and then double exposed it with dew on grass.  It's not edited but it gives the idea.  I sent the green version to her to check that she likes the direction I am going with this and thats why I still have a low res copy.

My problem is that when I went back into LR Classic this week the colours in the raw file are not the original colours of green grass but funky yellow colours instead.  It's not an issue of screen calibration, this is something that has happened to the file.  The original in the folder on my Mac still looks fine but when I pulled it into Camera Raw to see if that would make a difference, the colours changed to the funky yellow too.

I'd really appreciate if anyone could advise me on this.  I've tried resetting the file in Lr and reimporting it but the same thing happens.

Kind Regards

Karen

[Guest]

Moving to the Lightroom Classic forum from Download & Install

[Per Berntsen]

There's a forum bug that makes it impossible to download attachments.

Please post a reply to this thread, and insert the images directly in the post, using the Insert Photos button in the toolbar.

[josephlavine]

Please see others' comments on inserting the screen capture. Have you tried resetting the adjustments created in Lightroom?

warmly/j

[Jao vdL]

Just guessing but try to select the camera standard profile in the develop module instead of Adobe color

[KKMMTTT]

[KKMMTTT]

Thank you so much for your responses.

I have inserted the pics into my previous reply as suggested, and before posting here I did reset all adjustments created in LR but to no avail.

K.

[GoldingD]

Can you post the RAW file to Drop Box or some other sharing site?

[KKMMTTT]

Hi,
The RAW file can be downloaded by clicking below:

https://we.tl/t-6LcQqFhZnw this is a Wetransfer link and will remain active
for 7 days.

Thanks for your help.
K.

[GoldingD]

Please post your System Information as Lightroom Classic (LrC) reports it. In LrC click on Help, then System Info, then Copy. Paste that information into a reply. Please present all information from first line down to and including Plug-in Info. Info after Plug-in info can be cut as that is just so much dead space to us non-Techs.

example

[KKMMTTT]

Hi,

Apologies but I have no idea what your post means.
I'm a professional photographer and have a good knowledge of LrC and PS but
I'm self taught and your post is like a foreign language to me.

Kind Regards
Karen

[KKMMTTT]

Hi GoldingD,

Apologies again,  further to my previous reply - I read your response in email/text only without the benefit of the screenshots you added.

I'll go through your screenshots (thank you for taking the time).

Kind Regards

Karen

[KKMMTTT]

Hi GoldingD,

I followed your instructions (Thank You) and please find the System info pasted below:

Kind Regards

Karen

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[Per Berntsen]

I downloaded the raw file and imported it in Lightroom.

It opened yellow, like your second screenshot.

Changing the White balance from As shot to Auto changed it to green, quite similar to your first screenshot.

So may be you had it on Auto, and accidentally changed it to As shot?

[GoldingD]

Same on my end. Imports yellow. As normal, in Develop, defaults to As Shot WB. Changing to Auto (in this case) makes it go green.

You may want to review the original camera, and see if perhaps something like WB was shifted.

hmmmm, screenshot (As Shot WB) note the values. Fairly sure not normal if in camera was set to Daylight, or even Auto.

[KKMMTTT]

[KKMMTTT]

Hi Guys,

I've uploaded screengrabs of the original RAW files to create the in-camera Double Exposure.  While there is considerable yellow in the As Shot original of the grass, as you'd expect when the grass was drenched in sunshine, it's nothing like the funky yellow that the resultant Double exposure image turned.

Thank you for the idea of using Auto WB in LrC to bring back the green but I'd really love to understand what has happened so that I can prevent it from happening again.

Kind Regards

Karen

[Todd Shaner]

"Last week I made this double exposure of her hand, which was a silhouette and then double exposed it with dew on grass."

It appears you shot the hand picture with tungsten lighting and the grass picture with daylight. Since this is a double expsoure it appears the 2nd expsoure WB settings (Daylight) were recorded in the CR2 file As Shot settings. Here's the in-camera embedded JPEG image next to LrC image with WB adjusted. It looks better, but not exactly the same as the in-camera JPEG. I suggest in the future to use the same lighting source type for both exposures, which should fix the issue.

EDIT: If you select the Camera Standard Profile with the below WB settings (3340, +37) it looks very close to the in-camera JPEG.

[KKMMTTT]

Hi Todd, 

Thanks a million for your post.  Here's the thing, I did shoot both of the images with the same light setting.  Both were outdoors with the Flash WB setting on a Canon 5D Mk3, I use the flash setting even when I don't use flash. The change of colour only happened on the files this week in Lightroom.  

I imported the file last week, did no adjustments to it and then exported it as a low res JPEG to send on to the client, with some other double exposures, to get her opinion on the direction I was going with these shots.  The file exported last week was as I shot it i.e the colour of grass in sunlight.  The hand shot was a silhouette against the sun and was shot in a field also.

My problem is that this has also happened to other double exposures that I made.

Kind Regards

Karen

[Todd Shaner]

"Both were outdoors with the Flash WB setting on a Canon 5D Mk3, I use the flash setting even when I don't use flash."

The Flash WB color temperature is 6314 for your camera, which is 6350 As Shot inside LrC. My guess is you shot with the sun setting or rising, which has a color temperature of 3000-4000. Not a big deal since the in-camera WB setting has no affect on the raw file image data. You just need to be aware of the WB conditions and correct it inside LrC. You could use Auto WB setting in-camera, which will get you closer to the correct settings inside LrC with its As Shot setting. Either way you're going to need to manually adjust the WB settings. Shooting a ColorChecker or White Balance card in the scene will help in finding the correct settings, but shots like this will look better if you don't fully correct the WB. In the case here leaving it a bit warmer (yellow-orange).

https://www.watchprosite.com/photography/color-temperature-at-sunrise-and-sunset--/1278.1126771.8596...

[KKMMTTT]

Hi Todd,  

Thanks for your response, much appreciated.

I'm not really worried about the in-camera WB on this occasion as the problem didn't occur in camera, it occured in Lightroom.  Please let me explain -  I don't know if you shoot in-camera double exposures but basically you shoot one image - in this case an under exposed photo of the hand:

Then, using Live View, you take another image (in this case the grass) and the double exposure is image 1 overlaid on image 2.

This is the image of the Grass:

The camera merges the 2 images together so that the underexposed areas of image 1 are filled by parts of image 2 creating a third image - the image below is SOOC and exported directly from Lightroom last week and these are the colours I would like to keep but at the time I only exported a low res version to show to a client as a proof.

This week, I went back into my files in Lightroom and that same file (above) had changed to a different colour (Please find current file below) and I don't know how or why this happened and even if I reset all of the settings or if I re-import the file to Lightroom I can't get the original colors back.  

The best suggestion I have had so far is to change the WB on the current file to Auto in Lightroom and this turns it fully Green.    I would prefer to find out what happened to my file (and all the other double exposure files) in lightroom so that I can prevent it happening again.

Kind Regards

Karen

[Jao vdL]

This is very strange. All other raw converters show it as green at the as shot setting but the latest Lightroom turns it all yellow. Did you update Lightroom to the latest version in between the color change? Perhaps there was a change to the profiles for this camera in between that only shows up for double exposures and therefore nobody noticed as they are quite rare. I usually do these things in Photoshop.

[KKMMTTT]

Hi Jao,

I didn't update Lightroom until after this change happened, in the hope the update would fix it.

K:)

[GoldingD]

Bringing the image into ACR (via PS) I see the same issue. So it is in the Camera RAW code.

[GoldingD]

What happens if you process those two images in PS to merge to a double exposure?