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Problem: Develop Changes Not Stored inside JPEG
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Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic - 9.2.1 Release, Camera Raw 12.2.1
Windows 10 Pro, Version 1903, OS build 18362.720
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Edit | Catalog Settings... | Metadata tab |
check "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files"
check "Automatically write changes into XMP"

Edit | Preferences... | General tab |
check "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos"
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I have a single JPG file in a folder which I import into Lightroom Classic.
I change the temperature of the JPG file.
I close Lightroom.
I open Lightroom.
The JPG file shows the edited temperature change.
I "remove" the folder from the library.
I import the folder into Lightroom.
The JPG file shows the original temperature - not the temperature change.

I thought "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files" would result in Develop changes being stored in the JPEG. Specifically, I expected a change to the JPG temperature metadata value. The same situation holds for exposure, saturation, and other changes. The Develop changes seem to be stored in the catalog - not in the JPEG. By-the-way, no XMP file was created.

Why?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.



I can't replicate this.

 

When you import the photo back into LR, are you applying a preset at Import that might change the settings? Show us a screen capture of your Import dialog box when you do this second import.

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Develop Changes Not Stored inside JPEG

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Problem: Develop Changes Not Stored inside JPEG
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Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic - 9.2.1 Release, Camera Raw 12.2.1
Windows 10 Pro, Version 1903, OS build 18362.720
*************************
Edit | Catalog Settings... | Metadata tab |
check "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files"
check "Automatically write changes into XMP"

Edit | Preferences... | General tab |
check "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos"
*************************
I have a single JPG file in a folder which I import into Lightroom Classic.
I change the temperature of the JPG file.
I close Lightroom.
I open Lightroom.
The JPG file shows the edited temperature change.
I "remove" the folder from the library.
I import the folder into Lightroom.
The JPG file shows the original temperature - not the temperature change.

I thought "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files" would result in Develop changes being stored in the JPEG. Specifically, I expected a change to the JPG temperature metadata value. The same situation holds for exposure, saturation, and other changes. The Develop changes seem to be stored in the catalog - not in the JPEG. By-the-way, no XMP file was created.

Why?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.



I can't replicate this.

 

When you import the photo back into LR, are you applying a preset at Import that might change the settings? Show us a screen capture of your Import dialog box when you do this second import.

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The option to "include develop settings in JPG etc" means that LR should do so when XMP metadata is written out.

 

Writing XMP metadata out is not part of LR normal operation, which relies on the Catalog only. When you returned to an image and saw your previous edits, it was the Catalog which had retained those. And removing an image destroys that record... though if a second "spare" copy of the edited state has been saved alongside / into the image file in XMP format, that would be read in during some future reimport. Note that even if Develop settings are excluded when this happens, other kinds of metadata such as keywords are written. Also note that there are a number of LR image attributes that cannot be written to external XMP, but can only ever exist within a Catalog.

 

But this external XMP won't happen by default, unless/until "Automatically Write Changes into XMP" has been turned on in the LR Catalog settings...

 

...though it can still be made to happen on demand, with the menu option "write metadata to file" or else using keyboard shortcut Ctrl+S (Cmd+S on MacOS).

 

For a JPG, no separate sidecar file is made - it goes into the original file's header. So that's a file alteration which would otherwise not have happened.

 

[The decision on whether to write out XMP depends on several factors. For one thing, what's the usage context / scenario where this is going to be useful - also are you backing up your Catalog at sufficient intervals to rely on that in case of a problem. And it's a different judgement practically, for a proprietary Raw file than it is for a JPG / a DNG. In the former case, ongoing change is reflected only by the creation / updating of a small sidecar file. In the latter case, the modification date of the entire image file on disk updates every time. This may make an important difference e.g. for backup / file syncing. Say you've edited half the images since the prior backup: under JPG (or DNG) that means fully 50% of the originally imported data size would qualify to be backed up wholesale again. With Raw it's just some tiny files requiring that. But if you avoid writing XMP out at all - then none of this issue arises.]

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Thanks richardplondon. Your explanation was very useful.

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I can't replicate this.

 

When you import the photo back into LR, are you applying a preset at Import that might change the settings? Show us a screen capture of your Import dialog box when you do this second import.

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Good call dj_paige. By mistake, I did have a Metadata preset during import. This explains everything. Thanks again for your help.

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