Is there a way to access a duplicate pin if it's under another one?

Explorer ,
Jul 12, 2018 Jul 12, 2018

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I have two pins that are sitting on top of eachother, due to duplicating. Moving them is not ideal as they are custom shapes.

The bottom one can only be adjusted if I move the top one out of the way, then have to move it back.

Although originally a duplicate, the strokes and adjustments are different between the two pins.

Is there a way to make both pins accessible? either by:

- moving the pin without moving the strokes (or vice versa)

- a keyboard shortcut to toggle, cycle through all the pins

- a way to select the desired pin - like ctrl-right click in photoshop for choosing layers

or some other method.

At the moment my option is to either remake one of the adjustment brushes, or two move them and try to realign manually by eye every time i wish to make a change. But I'm hoping for future I can learn if there's a simple solution to this?

Thanks for any help.

Jon

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LEGEND ,
Jul 12, 2018 Jul 12, 2018

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I think there is such a way, but until I get home later today and fire up Lightroom, I can't be sure, or even tell you what the solution is. But I have also created duplicates of brushes and filters, and I don't remember this specific issue happening.

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Explorer ,
Jul 12, 2018 Jul 12, 2018

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That's great to hear, I look forward to hopefully hearing from you! Although I just looked through the lightroom shortcut list and didn't see anything in there about it.

Keyboard shortcuts for Lightroom Classic CC

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LEGEND ,
Jul 12, 2018 Jul 12, 2018

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Okay, I don't see any way to access the bottom pin unless you move the top one. Which brings up the question why you would want two or more different brushes of the exact same shape in the exact same location — wouldn't one brush accomplish the same thing?

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Explorer ,
Jul 16, 2018 Jul 16, 2018

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Thanks for looking into it. Oh well, just one of those things.

Nope they're slightly different, but the duplicate used the original shape as a starting point to brush a subsection of the already painted area.

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Jul 16, 2018 Jul 16, 2018

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dj_paige  wrote

Okay, I don't see any way to access the bottom pin unless you move the top one. Which brings up the question why you would want two or more different brushes of the exact same shape in the exact same location — wouldn't one brush accomplish the same thing?

Not always. Some Local Adjustments parameters can be applied cumulatively with multiple overlaid filters. So for instance, if +100% Sharpening doesn't do it for you, try 200% or 300%.

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LEGEND ,
Jul 16, 2018 Jul 16, 2018

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But surely sharpening as you just described it doesn't require the pins to be EXACTLY on top of one another.

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Explorer ,
Jul 16, 2018 Jul 16, 2018

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It doesn't require it. But duplicating a brush means they are already on top of eachother. If you've drawn a complex shape, having to redraw it from scratch just to have offset pins is a bit tedious. It's easier to just move the top one then move it back carefullly. But if all you're doing is doubling up an effect, as describe  by ellie, then you may not need to access the underneath pin unless you wish to make significant changes.

Either way, this is something that comes up from time to time in my own edits, and it's a shame that there isn't a toggle, or some kind of workflow implementation.

An example: Brush A: Full person matte, Brush B: Clone brush A, erase sections not needed, perhaps Just leaving a t-shirt for colour changing. To me, having subsections of a matte would seem like a common workflow. It could Foreground as one matte, then individual foreground elements cloned from that original matte.

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 17, 2021 Feb 17, 2021

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I also find this to be an issue when you want to have one edit on the entire brushed area, and then another edit on the same brushed area but then with a luminance or color range mask applied on it. I want to be able to duplicate the brush and then individually select each one to make changes

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