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Apr 27, 2020

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I used to love Lightroom. I thought it was the best bargain with the Creative Cloud subsscription along with Photoshop.

 

Currently using Lightroom Classic 9.2.1 on my I7-4770 with 32 gbs of DDR 3 memory, Nvidia GTX 1060 6 gb video card running Windows 10 Home 64 bit. Most of my other apps zip along Photoshop CC, Corel Painter 2019 and my 3D modeling apps (3D Coat, Blender 3D 2.8, Silo 3d 2.5, DAZ Studio, Poser Pro 11.3, Vue Creator 3D, etc).

 

BUT Lightroom is  a complete dog and really slows down my photo editing workflow.

The issue most of the time is it's doing database stuff and not allowing me to edit my raw files. It's either sychronizing a folder or the metadata.  Both DAZ Studio and Poser Pro have large databases of 3D content. Both are not slowing down at all. They still zip right along. I know it's not my computer. I was a computer support tech for 35 years and recently retired 2 years ago.

 

It's driving me completely nuts and what took little time to edit a raw file now can take several minutes. And can often freeze Lightroom only but not my computer or Widows10..

 

I have a large catalog of 150,000 images AND PLEASE DO NOT SUGGEST I DIVIDE MY CALALOG INTO SMALLER ONES. Please do not suggest this. Not interested in doing this. I have all of my photos into various catalogs that make sense to me. AND IF Lightroom can not handle a catalog of this size, then I'm gonna give some strong thought to jumping ship.

 

I've also seen on the web some other people are having this issue with the terrible performance of Lightroom due it's database handling. And some of them have found some competing products that do not have this issue.

 

My question to Adobe: Is this issue being looked into? Will it be fixed soon? I have no issues with Adobe, it's pricing or it's products. BUT Lightroom has been getting worse and slower with every update IMHO. Others may disagree.

 

Regards

Ken

I am quite pleased to report since the latest update to Lightroom Classic 9.3 it has been very stable. Since the update over a week or so ago, I have not experienced any freezing or hanging. Much appreciated Adobe.

 

Cheers

 

Ken

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Lightroom is getting worse with each update

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Apr 27, 2020

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I used to love Lightroom. I thought it was the best bargain with the Creative Cloud subsscription along with Photoshop.

 

Currently using Lightroom Classic 9.2.1 on my I7-4770 with 32 gbs of DDR 3 memory, Nvidia GTX 1060 6 gb video card running Windows 10 Home 64 bit. Most of my other apps zip along Photoshop CC, Corel Painter 2019 and my 3D modeling apps (3D Coat, Blender 3D 2.8, Silo 3d 2.5, DAZ Studio, Poser Pro 11.3, Vue Creator 3D, etc).

 

BUT Lightroom is  a complete dog and really slows down my photo editing workflow.

The issue most of the time is it's doing database stuff and not allowing me to edit my raw files. It's either sychronizing a folder or the metadata.  Both DAZ Studio and Poser Pro have large databases of 3D content. Both are not slowing down at all. They still zip right along. I know it's not my computer. I was a computer support tech for 35 years and recently retired 2 years ago.

 

It's driving me completely nuts and what took little time to edit a raw file now can take several minutes. And can often freeze Lightroom only but not my computer or Widows10..

 

I have a large catalog of 150,000 images AND PLEASE DO NOT SUGGEST I DIVIDE MY CALALOG INTO SMALLER ONES. Please do not suggest this. Not interested in doing this. I have all of my photos into various catalogs that make sense to me. AND IF Lightroom can not handle a catalog of this size, then I'm gonna give some strong thought to jumping ship.

 

I've also seen on the web some other people are having this issue with the terrible performance of Lightroom due it's database handling. And some of them have found some competing products that do not have this issue.

 

My question to Adobe: Is this issue being looked into? Will it be fixed soon? I have no issues with Adobe, it's pricing or it's products. BUT Lightroom has been getting worse and slower with every update IMHO. Others may disagree.

 

Regards

Ken

I am quite pleased to report since the latest update to Lightroom Classic 9.3 it has been very stable. Since the update over a week or so ago, I have not experienced any freezing or hanging. Much appreciated Adobe.

 

Cheers

 

Ken

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Apr 28, 2020

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Lightroom Classic can handle a catalog of millions of images, and it does not do things like synchronizing folders or metadata all by its own. That is simply not how the application works. If Lightroom Classic is doing things in the background that slow down your editing, then you'll have to do some tests to find out what that is. As a computer tech with 35 years of experience you should be able to pinpoint this.

 

By the way: This is a user-to-user forum. For bug reports, go to https://feedback.photoshop.com. Search for your problem first. If it is already requested by someone else, then don't create a new thread but add your vote to the existing request. I know there are more people complaining about slow performance, so you may even find some answers there already.

-- Johan W. Elzenga, http://www.johanfoto.com

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Apr 28, 2020

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Yes. I did try to diagnoze my issue for quite some time before posting here. I have myLightroom catalog & temp files directed to a 500 GB Intel SSD. My OS & apps are installed on a 1 TB Samsung SSD.

 

I did build a Ryzen 7 3700x with 32 gb of DDR4 memory. I need to purchase a video card for it. Presently it is using an older Nvidia GTX 750 with 4 gb of ram but it is only a 128 bit card. I could move the GTX 1060 6GB 192 bit card to the Ryzen from my I7-4770 BUT I would prefer to buy a newer card. Not sure which Nvidia card. My 3D apps prefer Nvidia's CUDA over ATI\AMD cards.

 

 

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Apr 28, 2020

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I will not recommend you decrease the size of your catalogs. I also have a 150 000 images.

What I know nevertheless is that synchronising a folder and metadata can be horrible and sucking all CPU as you mention. I have no solution to make them faster or run in the background unfortunately. I am afraid only ASOBE can work on that topic.

I just want to share my experience :
-I only synchronise folder when adding photos created by another application, but limited to one or 2 images in a folder not containing more than 500 photos. ( the best example being creating a copy in Photoshop and saving it in the original folder, then to see it you need to sync the folder in LR) In all the other cases, I use import.
-Metadata syncing is quite rare for me, but when I do it it takes a while and sucks all CPU. No work around except doing it by small numbers in each folder instead of a big folder with 10 000 images.
-I use to optimise my catalogs each time I exit LR. This takes some time but It does accelerate a lot LR when reopening LR and solve the metadata issue as well.
-I make sure that in my Catalog Preferences I check the box to write metadata with the file.

Hope it will help a little be but I realize it is not that much.

Best Regards
Eric Pecquerie

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LEGEND ,
Apr 28, 2020

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A common cause of slowness in editing is doing a lot of local adjustments on an image (brusing or spot healing). This is made worse by 4K or larger monitors, and made worse by high megapixel original photos. If that's what you are doing, you can try turning off the GPU acceleration (although this may slow other things down).

 

"My question to Adobe: Is this issue being looked into? Will it be fixed soon? I have no issues with Adobe, it's pricing or it's products. BUT Lightroom has been getting worse and slower with every update IMHO. Others may disagree."

 

We are not Adobe in this forum. We are other Lightroom users in this forum. We cannot answer such a question. You need to ask Adobe, not us. The link was given earlier.

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LEGEND ,
Apr 28, 2020

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Please post your system information as Lightroom Classic reports it, Yes I see bits if that, but please post as Lightroom reports it. In Lightroom Classic, click on Help, click on System Info, click on Copy. PASTE (DO NOT ATTACH) that into a reply. Include all info from first line down to and including plugin info.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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Apr 28, 2020

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Thanks for asking this. here ya' go...

 

Lightroom Classic version: 9.2.1 [ 202004070813-7699d98a ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Home Premium Edition
Version: 10.0.17763
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 8
Processor speed: 3.0 GHz
SqLite Version: 3.30.1
Built-in memory: 32639.4 MB
Real memory available to Lightroom: 32639.4 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 1464.3 MB (4.4%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1542.4 MB
GDI objects count: 641
USER objects count: 2294
Process handles count: 2370
Memory cache size: 7.3MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 12.2.1 [ 415 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 26MB / 16319MB (0%)
Camera Raw real memory: 27MB / 32639MB (0%)
System DPI setting: 120 DPI (high DPI mode)
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Displays: 1) 2560x1440, 2) 1280x1024
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: Yes, External touch: No, External pen: Yes, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (26.21.14.4250)

 

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: F:\LIGHTROOM\CATALOG\CATALOG-2-2-2.lrcat
Settings Folder: C:\Users\kenmo\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) AdobeStock
2) Export to Photomatix Pro
3) Facebook
4) Flickr
5) HDR Efex Pro 2
6) HDR projects 4 professional
7) LR/Enfuse
8)Nikon Tether Plugin

Config.lua flags: None

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LEGEND ,
May 04, 2020

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Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (26.21.14.4250)

That would be v442.50 for your GPU driver. Visiting NVIDIA drivers page, current is v445.87

 

On your computer, you should have a utility from NVIDIA called GeForce Experiance, use it to inspect GPU driver version, check for update, download and install update.

 

When you do so, select Custom as to force a clean install.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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LEGEND ,
May 04, 2020

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Displays: 1) 2560x1440, 2) 1280x1024

 

In older cards, selecting in /Preferences/Performance/ to use GPU could cause more problems than improvements in performance if non 4K display in use. 

 

Now, your card is not that old, may not have that old issue, but consider not turning on use GPU. You may need to test out with lots and lots of adjustment brush edits to see if it helps or hinders.

 

Note: if you have use GPU on, and Lightroom Classic determined Basic and you forced the issue to be Advanced, do bot do that.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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LEGEND ,
May 04, 2020

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So, an NVIDIA GPU. I will not assume you have seen the following. Instead, no skin off my nose if you have.

 

See: https://www.winhelp.info/boost-lightroom-performance-on-systems-with-nvidia-graphics-chip.html

 

Note, if tou did not have that option in use, Then when you do, and you revisit the Lightroom Classic /preferences/performance/ option to use GPU, things might improve.

 

Note: This option will increase power usage, may not behave so nicely on laptops. Will not behave well at all on low power rigs like all in ones.

 

Note: This option used to have a bad habit of getting changed back to default upon GPU driver updates, may or may not still do that.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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LEGEND ,
May 04, 2020

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Windows 10, so another assumption to not nake, and share. Power Settings, change to High Performance.

 

see tip 8 in: https://au.pcmag.com/windows-10-1/5180/11-tips-to-speed-up-windows-10

 

This one aldo spikes up power usage, not suitable to laptops on battery, may not work at all on low power CPU rigs.

 

NOTE: This one has a bad habit of getting changed back to defaults upon Windows OS updates.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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May 04, 2020

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May 04, 2020

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I've posted my System Info as requested. Did you see anything? Cheers

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LEGEND ,
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Operating system: Windows 10 - Home Premium Edition
Version: 10.0.17763
Application architecture: x64

 

 

1. Your Windows 10 is out of date. That would be v1809, build 17763. Yes, newer features will work under v1809, but, why are you still at that versio. That came out November 2018. Should be at v1903.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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LEGEND ,
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Camera Raw virtual memory: 26MB / 16319MB (0%)
Camera Raw real memory: 27MB / 32639MB (0%)

 

I see I fouled up, and clicked on the wrong place to make some replys, may be out of logical order, so be it, moving on.

 

The above info reminds me I need to get off my rear end, turn on my rig, and note if that tells me what the setting for Camera RAW CACHE is set to.

 

What is your Camera RAW CACHE set to? Would effect Develop module performance, not Library.

 

Just another Adobe customer; My Sys; APP: LRC 9.4, PS 21.2.1; CMP: WIN WS 16GB OS 10 v1909 (18363), mid 2015 MBPr 15” 16GB MACOS 10.15.6; 4K EXT DSPY; CAM: Canon 5D Mk III, Fuji X-T3

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May 07, 2020

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Thanks for the replies. Installing Nvidia update now. Usually I have to recalibrate my monitor via Colormunki after upgrading Nvidia drivers.

 

Cheers & many thanks

 

Ken

 

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May 08, 2020

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I've installed the Windows updates/patches & updated my Nvidia driver as suggested.

It did not resolve the issue. I also tried disabling GPU support in Lighroom and it made no difference.

Lightroom still behaves the same.

Totally disgusted with Lightroom. It used to be a great app a year or so ago.

 

Lightroom Classic version: 9.2.1 [ 202004070813-7699d98a ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 10 - Home Premium Edition

Version: 10.0.18363

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 8

Processor speed: 3.0 GHz

SqLite Version: 3.30.1

Built-in memory: 32639.4 MB

Real memory available to Lightroom: 32639.4 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 1775.8 MB (5.4%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 2042.2 MB

 

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May 08, 2020

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If using Windows Defender or a 3rf party alternative, make sure that real time monitoring of the catalog and previews is not active.

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Apr 28, 2020

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Ken I totally agree with you that LR has become a much slower program than ever.  I find my wait times for thing to happen at the most basic level to have increased but the most frustrating thing is the "not responding" warnings.  They seem to be occurring more often and I find myself going to help sights more often without any resolution.  I wish that Adobe would stop with the updates and streamline the existing program so it functions in the manner we expect and need and had.  
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I would prefer less eye candy and better performance & stability. The database management is pathetic.

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