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I havne't been able to find the answer to this workflow question so thought I'd ask here.
First off, I generally do all my work in Lightroom Classic. I do however do edits now and then on my iPad Pro to those(Smart Previews) that I have synced from Lightroom Classic. This works fine.
I understand that if I do want to use RAW files in Lightroom CC and already have the smart previews synced from Classic - I can drag the RAW files into CC and Lightroom will recognize the smart previews are already there in the catalog and just simply switch the smart previews to RAW rather than add a duplicate photo. With this being said, can the opposite be done? If I have RAW files I added to CC from my iPad can I simply import the same RAW files on my desktop Classic client and have the edits I made on my iPad Pro pull down into classic on the imported raw files? I know this is confusing, let me try and explain further.
If I am traveling and I import the RAW files from my SD card into Lightroom on my iPad Pro, I know this sends the entire RAW file to the cloud. Now when I get to my desktop and open up Classic I understand it will pull these RAW files down to the folder I have set in preferences. The problem here is with 80MB raw files and uploading 100 RAW files to the cloud and then to be pulled down into Classic is a bit silly. I want to be able to import RAW into my iPad and then made edits. Then when I get to my desktop import my RAW files again from my SD card and have CC and Classic know these files are the same and not pull down the RAW from the cloud, but pull the edits down.
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What you describe as "silly" is just the way it is. LRCC/iPad will want to sync the raw files via the cloud, and cannot do it over you wifi network.
Don't try to get too clever with using LRCC/MacPC. Adobe have not designed it to work properly with LR Classic, and are not recommending using both LRCC/MacPC and Classic. If you want to use the iPad on the road, just accept that it will have to upload files upon your return - and ensure that its options are set to sync only over wifi.
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So it sounds like you're not sure.
Does anyone have experience with this workflow?
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Hm, I didn't think I was expressing any uncertainty.
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I'm curious as to where you saw that Adobe does not recommend using the Sync feature to sync photos and edits between Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic? I use that workflow every single day and it works great.
I spent the last hour testing this out myself and answered my own question. To sum it up, it does work and its designed better than I anticipated or would have expected.
If you upload a RAW from iPad to Lightroom CC and you already have the exact same file in your Lightroom Classic CC catalog in the place you have your mobile eocsystem living, it does not overwrite the image or download it again. It does apply the edits to the RAW file that is already added in Lightroom Classic. In fact, rather than overwriting the edits to the existing RAW file it actually creates a Virtual Copy with the edits from Mobile so you don't lose any existing edits you may have made already inside of classic.
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So you are stuck with what you described as a silly workflow. "The problem here is with 80MB raw files and uploading 100 RAW files to the cloud and then to be pulled down into Classic is a bit silly." That's all you have proved.
I am curious where you saw Adobe recommending using them together. You can do the most basic silly workflow, but much more and you quickly run into problems - duplicates, for example.
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I'm sorry, not sure why you are being so combative sounding. I asked for a solution and provided it to others who are interested in what I am now understanding may be a more advanced workflow.
I don't think you are quite understanding. The idea here is not having to upload and download what could be very well be many GBs of data. For those of us who shoot a lot, being able to make adjustment to RAW files while mobile without having to wait for all the files to download back to Lightroom is important. I can import off an SD card much faster than download speeds. When I say mobile, I mean outside of our office. Mobile with internet, of course.
Never had a problem with duplicates. We even move the Lightroom Catalog to different machines daily. I'd be happy to teach you how to properly use Lightroom Sync, feel free to PM me with questions.
Further, to answer my question to you that you answered with a question, here you go: Sync photos between Lightroom on your computer and mobile devices |
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Speaking from experience, you can try to develop an integrated workflow between Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic CC, but you will become frustrated because it doesn't always work the way you expect it will. I know because I have tried. I haven't migrated my catalog because of that. John isn't being combative. He has much more experience with Lightroom CC that I do, and I respect his insight. If you want to try to prove him wrong, that's fine. But the two programs really aren't designed to work together at this time. Whether that will change in future is yet to be seen.
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Thanks, Jim. I will keep an eye out for any problems. If someone wants to prove me wrong, that's fine. So far, this workflow works for me. Judging from comments elsewhere, it will be helpful for others.
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Thanks, Jim. I will keep an eye out for any problems. If someone wants to prove me wrong, that's fine. So far, this workflow works for me. Judging from comments elsewhere, it will be helpful for others.
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No, what will be helpful to others is the recommendation not to try to be too clever using LRCC and LrClassic in conjunction.
They will certainly sync in certain ways and can be helpful if you really know what you're doing. But they are not designed to be used as a coherent or robust workflow.
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It will not be helpful for Lightroom users (new or otherwise) to be under any impression that there is a successful integration between Classic and Cloud. There simply is not - nor is it likely there ever will be. Classic and Cloud are not meant to be used together on the same system.
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Further, to answer my question to you that you answered with a question, here you go: Sync photos between Lightroom on your computer and mobile devices |
That article (which I believe was originally written in 2016) makes no mention of the workflow "workaround" that you think you have discovered, so I'm not sure what point you were making with that reference.
Just recapping, you wanted a way to circumvent the automatic downloading of synced images into LR Classic, as you thought this was a "bit silly", and you think you've discovered a way to do that. John Beardsworth's response was that this is the way it is designed and best try not to get too clever. That advice is based on his own knowledge of the way that syncing works (which in turn is based on days, weeks and months of testing, not the one hour that you say you spent), and his own knowledge of the Adobe position on this subject (have a read of this article: https://prolost.com/blog/migratinglightroom​ for some insight into some of the issues, and note the unequivocal Adobe Marketing's position).
However, in your testing you have indeed discovered that you can get around having Classic download the full Raw files, though quite why that's important to you I cannot guess. By far the most time-consuming part of the sync process is generally the upload, which you cannot avoid if importing from any part of the system except Classic. So having gone through the upload process you're trying to figure out a way of avoiding the ensuing download even though that's typically a small fraction of the total sync time. Having done that, you've discovered that LR Classic's duplicate detection works and consequently only downloads the image metadata which is applied to a VC that it creates from the original that you imported. Now what....you've got the original import which is not synced, and a VC of it that IS synced. So only edits from the VC will sync across the ecosystem, not those from the original in Classic. If that's what you want, then that's fine. Personally I'd only want to use VCs when I have a desire for completely separate treatment of an image, not have them exist through some quirk of the compromised syncing between Classic and the cloud.
There are of course ways to clean this up, but they're not overly attractive. You could, for example, enable syncing in Classic of the masters....so then you'll be syncing both the master and the VC from Classic, but LRCC doesn't support VCs, so it will in fact automatically create a full copy in the cloud of the original image....and good luck telling which is which when deciding to do some editing in one of the LRCC apps. Or, if you've been been careful enough to only edit in LRCC, so only the VCs in Classic have edits, you could promote all the VCs to be the master....that retains the correct sync status that you'd want (i.e. the new master will have the VCs edits and its sync status), so you could then remove the VCs.....but what is now the master still retains the original VC's copy name, and if you're OCD like me you'll want to edit that out. And if you've edited BOTH the Classic import and the synced VC, and you only want one copy in the cloud, you'll have to figure out how to do that.
To be honest, none of that jumping through hoops is worth it to me....IMO it's much easier and cleaner to let the sync work as it was designed to. But that's your call.
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Yes, there are certainly way too many hoops to go through for someone who doesn't have this very unique situation I am working with. There is no doubt I am trying to get clever to make this workflow work for me. I am not doing it to be clever and sneaky, there is a very specific reason I am being forced to make this work this way. I wish there was easier ways to do this for my workflow, but there just isn't and this is good enough for now. In the end my biggest wish would be to have the option not to sync RAW at all from mobile, just metadata. But thats an entire other story.
I know we are in the very beginning stages of syncing and there is a lot to be desired but I also work in an environment that is switching to CaptureOne products due to long standing Lightroom performance issues. It really comes down to wether the syncing options with multiple devices become strong enough to outweigh the sluggishness of Lightroom to save my company and it's parent company from switching completely. I am an advocate for Lightroom and have been since the first version.
With all that being said, I certainly wouldn't recommend my workflow to others unless they have a deep understanding of Lightroom and syncing. I do know that there are people out there that do obscure things like this and maybe they will find this conversation helpful. I certainly appreciate everyones responses and taking the time to discuss this - i've learned some things I didn't know as well. Cheers and lets hope I don't have to continue doing crazy stuff like this in the future!
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Thank you! I've been wondering if the syncing of files between multiple machines (importa from different machines iPad and Mac) was possible.
If possible, do you have a YouTube that explains the process you completed?
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The document you are referencing is illustrating how to sync to Lightroom Classic not Lightroom CC cloud-based version. Lightroom Web (cloud based) isn't designed to integrate with Classic.
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Actually, it is designed to sync your edits back and forth. That's the entire point of it.
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You are correct that it is designed to sync edits back and forth. That said - Adobe does not recommend using Classic and Cloud on the same system because of conflicts and syncing issues.
Lightroom Mobile - the companion app for Classic syncs well between desktop, web and iOs devices whereas Cloud to Classic is problematic.
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