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Need ammo for a smart talker - hard code vs Adobe Muse

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Ok - so this isn't your typical post on a forum. Thankfully, I am not having any technical issues today with Muse.

BUT - I just had a "confrontation" with someone about using Muse to design websites. He was arguing that I shouldn't be charging as much as "real" web designers since I am "not even doing any hard coding."

I had to walk away - but I need ammo for a conversation that will likely take place in the very near future.

Also - out of curiosity, how much time does it typically take you to build out a fully responsive 15 page site? Do you charge by hour? Do you estimate a certain hour/page?

Thank you!

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I would say that firstly most customers do not want to pay for a custom/coded design. I use Muse a lot and never feel the need to tell clients that I am using Muse. An odd time I do and I refer to it as Adobe Muse or I say I will build the site using Adobe Software.

You will never win the argument if you are dealing with a "techie techie" in terms of "pure" coding.

If you design websites for your clients you are entitled to charge your own price.

Nearly everyone (speaking generally) uses templates these days, so I think it's absolutely fine.

You are designing a website for a client - believe me clients are not that interested in what tools you used - just the results.

In summary, I would avoid the confrontation and say to that person "maybe you are right,,,,, and leave it at that - you won't convince him otherwise!

James

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Need ammo for a smart talker - hard code vs Adobe Muse

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Ok - so this isn't your typical post on a forum. Thankfully, I am not having any technical issues today with Muse.

BUT - I just had a "confrontation" with someone about using Muse to design websites. He was arguing that I shouldn't be charging as much as "real" web designers since I am "not even doing any hard coding."

I had to walk away - but I need ammo for a conversation that will likely take place in the very near future.

Also - out of curiosity, how much time does it typically take you to build out a fully responsive 15 page site? Do you charge by hour? Do you estimate a certain hour/page?

Thank you!

Correct answer by JPC-Voda | Community Beginner

I would say that firstly most customers do not want to pay for a custom/coded design. I use Muse a lot and never feel the need to tell clients that I am using Muse. An odd time I do and I refer to it as Adobe Muse or I say I will build the site using Adobe Software.

You will never win the argument if you are dealing with a "techie techie" in terms of "pure" coding.

If you design websites for your clients you are entitled to charge your own price.

Nearly everyone (speaking generally) uses templates these days, so I think it's absolutely fine.

You are designing a website for a client - believe me clients are not that interested in what tools you used - just the results.

In summary, I would avoid the confrontation and say to that person "maybe you are right,,,,, and leave it at that - you won't convince him otherwise!

James

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I would say that firstly most customers do not want to pay for a custom/coded design. I use Muse a lot and never feel the need to tell clients that I am using Muse. An odd time I do and I refer to it as Adobe Muse or I say I will build the site using Adobe Software.

You will never win the argument if you are dealing with a "techie techie" in terms of "pure" coding.

If you design websites for your clients you are entitled to charge your own price.

Nearly everyone (speaking generally) uses templates these days, so I think it's absolutely fine.

You are designing a website for a client - believe me clients are not that interested in what tools you used - just the results.

In summary, I would avoid the confrontation and say to that person "maybe you are right,,,,, and leave it at that - you won't convince him otherwise!

James

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You can also use and show "muse sites of the day" to just prove that muse "works" quite well.

https://musewidgets.com/collections/site-of-the-day

Best Regards,

Uwe

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You will always get people like that, it’s fear more than anything. Designers are generally not coders and vice-versa. Muse gives designers the opportunity to put their skills directly to the web, rather than passing the design to a developer.

The same argument has happened with photography, digital art, cgi in filmmaking, etc. The point is whether the client is happy with your work, it doesn’t really matter how you got there.

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David

Creative Muse

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Thank you for the support! I need to be better at shrugging those comments off. And I am going to take James advice and just walk away. Not the effort and time.

Thanks again!

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