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I think there will be an alternative for Adobe Muse.

The business modell just fails. Everything is about money.

A lot of other companies make good widgets, only Adobe had to make that in the software. The software by itself had not much potentional, the widgets filled the gap.

So i think, and hope more, they will be come with something new soon.

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There will be an alternative for Adobe Muse

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I think there will be an alternative for Adobe Muse.

The business modell just fails. Everything is about money.

A lot of other companies make good widgets, only Adobe had to make that in the software. The software by itself had not much potentional, the widgets filled the gap.

So i think, and hope more, they will be come with something new soon.

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Hey LexTD,

We hear you. Please visit this discussion https://adobe.ly/2ulFqm5 on the Adobe Muse forum where other users are discussing alternative solutions.

Adobe is making our own investment in DIY website creation and welcomes all Muse customers to join our upcoming pre-release program for a new format that will be introduced this year as part of Adobe Spark.

Build a beautiful website—in minutes | Adobe Spark

Regards,

Ankush

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hi Ankush

we designers don't want that!

We want to make a button in PS and place that in an design. We want to make a logo or vector in AI and als place that also. We want to make gradients or other fills.

We don't want that webbased crap!

We are designers u know? We mix and match things together  to make something we satisfied with .

I cannot believe Adobe is still don't know their customers

Cheers

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I agree, I would like to see something more like Apple's Everweb, I liked Dreamweaver when you could use just the design feature if you wanted too.

Sonny Ogilvie

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Yeah I completely agree!!! 

Why didn't you put those function in Dreamweaver??? I want to make design and not care why this code does this and not what I want or what It suppose to do and didn't.

 

Now I'm trying to figure out the Dreamweaver and well I put it somehow together and after put another thing,all of it fall apart 🤦🏻‍:female_sign:🙈 I don't have time to learn the code completely and write it 🙈

Please I want Muse back or at least put those functions in Dreamweaver. The spark isn't good.

 

Thanks

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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  • Muse is never coming back.
  • Dreamweaver is for people who WANT to work with code.

 

Look at DIY site builders like Adobe Portfolio (free with paid Creative Cloud plans).  Simple to use, responsive and no coding skills needed.

https://portfolio.adobe.com/

 

Or maybe you should try WordPress with a visual designer plugin like Elementor. 

https://elementor.com/

 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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We all understand that, but that's not what we want or need.

I've been looking into so many different web designing options and STILL none of them work how I want. Muse, though two years without an update works better for me than any of these new and updated designing tools. Although it may never come back or be redeveloped into a new software, we want it. I use Muse for work and will continue until something better is created. So far, nothing else even comes close to what I love about Muse.

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Andrilla_Francis,

Have you stopped to think about what you will do when your Muse generated sites stop performing as expected?   What will you do then?

 

Muse is never going to change.  It's permanently discontinued.  Meanwhile the web keeps changing. Eventually, all Muse sites will fail in one way or another.  If you don't migrate to new software soon, you could be putting yourself in a very bad place.

 

Change is hard.  I get that.  But don't allow yourself to be sentimental about discontinued software.  That's a recipe for failure.  If you want a future in web design, learn to work with code. Or switch to an online DIY site builder like Squarespace, Wix, Webflow or whatever...  As Nike says, "just do it!"

 

 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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But, we designers want to DESIGN, freely, without restrictions, period.

 

Muse could also adapt to the changes of the web to stay up to date.

 

It was the perfect tool (still is) for designers to build web pages independently. No other software truly does that.

 

If I love playing clasical guitar and people perfectly enjoy listening to my music, why should I be forced to play a trumpet (because the music industry is changing)? I would hate it, I would not be able to express myself, I would only make it squeak and people would definetly not buy my music anymore. 

 

It is such a big shame Muse was discuntinued. I am still building websites in it and when they stop working someday, my clients will have to find another person to do a new website for them. Will they be happy with their new - generic design? Will the new "designer" be able to match the new website to the existing and powerfull corporate identity? 

 

Sure, I can learn to play an electric guitar, or even a harp for that matter, but please, don't force me to blow into a metal pipe, I would give up on music, definitely. 

 

(I love trumpets too, they sound beautifuly, respect to all trumpeteers!) 

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I appreciate your concern. I have already looked into everything about this. Perhaps one day, Muse will fall behind. I have a plan for that. As it is right now, HTML and CSS aren't getting code-changing updates, so Muse will work for awhile longer. Despite the timeframe for Muse being a working application, the point isn't about how long it will last. It's all about usability and versatility. As a designer, all of this new stuff like SquareSpace, Wix, Wordpress, Without Code, etcetera is annoying to work with. Muse isn't. Muse is so much faster and understandable. I can also do so much more with it. The possibilities are practically endless. I was using Wix before I remembered Muse. I got a couple clients here and there, but the websites just couldn't be what they really wanted. They were just good enough. When I started using Muse, people were blown away by what I could do. I like GregaBT's musical analogy. I was like a kid learning to play an instrument for the first time with Wix. At the end of the day, I could play the song, but it was slow, and many notes would be wrong. It was hard and annoying. People weren't impressed. Muse was like opening a symphony hall for me. I started getting more clients than I could handle. Previously my film career was paying for my Adobe subscription. Surprisingly enough, Muse is now my main source of income. I understand eventually it will very likely come to an end, but until then I cannot make myself switch. Switching now would not only be a challenge, it would be a crippling and a massive money-loss.

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Just trying to learn WordPress - if you really miss Muse just try doing that!

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"HTML and CSS aren't getting code-changing updates, so Muse will work for awhile longer."

 

There's much more to the web than HTML and CSS.  Muse contains a lot of JavaScript.  How well the old scripts hold up remains to be seen.  Meanwhile JavaScript and web browsers continue to evolve.  I'll let you connect the dots. 

 

JavaScript Versions (1997 - 2018)

https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_versions.asp

 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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Hi Ankush,

I'm sorry but spark isn't an application at this time for a business or professional website? It is a image, a text, an image, a text, one or two effects. It is good maybe to show your travel photos to friends. I don't see something professionnel? We don't want something basic.

Why condamne an application like muse without creating something else today.  You don't know if your DIY website creation will be appreciate by the customers  from Muse? You don't know well your customers. Did you ask them about their wish?

Thank you.

Sandrine

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Hi @LexTD ,

watch out at webflow, they provide your workaround as well. They do in in the software as well – no widgets as far as I can see.

Also try to calm down and have a look at Without Code from muse-themes.com later this year or pretty soon.

I asked spark-team about the logo and button staff as well and got an answer after 2 weeks.

Not a satisfying answer but they are working on it, I guess.

Of course right now spark is no alternative at all for web"designers".

XD missing the output to web.

Be aware that the muse sites don`t get deleted after 2019 and will remain live and in good shape for a longer time than most users are afraid of. Of course it is a pity and bad timing and if the would have asked us users about what to do, well … .

There´s also a spreadsheet to have a look, published by Preran​, I guess? Adobe Muse Alternatives - Google Sheets

There are many alternatives.

Best Regards,

Uwe

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Hi Uwe

Thanks for your answer

i'm calm and relaxed only very disappointed in Adobe

I looked some youtube files and mabey Webflow is for now the best alternative.

Muse seems better but why i spend more time with software that stops i a while.

My clients needs the best working sites and with the best security and Muse can only guaranteed that for a couple of years

cheers

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I find the backslash to Adobe abandoning Muse to be really bizarre. People claim that Adobe "only cares about money", but the biggest whiners about the end of Muse are the people who have built a business around it and now are scrambling because they don't ACTUALLY know how to build a website. That is to say, it's the users who are the most concerned about money.

I have sympathy. I only just now started learning Muse. I'm literally going through the Classroom In A Book when i got the notice that Muse is ending.

But the reality is that Muse didn't have a large enough user base to justify it's existence. And keeping on top of the changing web landscape is incredibly difficult for developers to distill it down into a push-button solution like Muse. The concept of a "website" is becoming more and more ambiguous and less and less important.

I do blame Adobe, though, as I constantly do. They put out too many software applications and then barely explain what it is that they do. I think that, if you went to Adobe Creative Cloud subscribers and went "How would you like a software that allowed you to build a website in an environment like InDesign without writing code?" 75 percent of subscribers would be ecstatic. And then if you said, "It's already available and called Muse!" they would say, "what? Since when?"

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Like to know more about "Without Code" Where can I find more info?

Perry

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Hi Ankush,

Muse had a long development phase. Much valuable input from us designers has been put into the development. Finally, Muse was a pretty useful application that allows us designers to create good responsive websites without using code. Result: By killing Adobe Muse, our work has been mostly for nothing. Adobe is developing applications that don't meet the needs of its customers. Spark, is not an alternative for Muse. Probably this application will also flop like many other Adobe products before.

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By abandoning Muse, Adobe is abandoning small, independent design businesses in favor of large workflow corporate design environments. It blows my mind that they would kick individual designers to the curb like this, but they are. Muse had just started maturing into a useful design tool. I think this is a mistake on their part. It certainly hurts individual designers such as myself.

They could easily have serviced the large team design approach with XD and Dreamweaver, and continued to serve the independent designer with Muse, and have the DIY tools like Spark for non-designers and amateurs who want to create individual pages and posts for their businesses without hiring a designer.

This is forcing me to find an alternative web design tool. As a solo designer, I'm not going to waste my time learning XD and using Dreamweaver to create. This would take me three times longer to create the exact same sites that I would otherwise be creating in Muse, and with no gain in the look or value of the site.

At this point, Webflow seems like the best, current alternative to Muse out there for web designers who wish to focus on design and not prototyping and coding, or drag-and-drop and limited DIY approaches.

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Hi Ankush,

Totally in shock and definitely not aMused! Less than a week ago I still got the Muse feedback screen....

The reason that I'm using Muse is that I HATE those template straightjacket crap. Yesterday I had a look at Spark and I hope this will be an early april´s fool joke. I also googled for a really alternative and found 3 of them and they are not Adobe. When all this is not a joke, I hope and suspect that these companies are clever and fill the gap before Muse really dies. That would not only disappoint us clients, but would also be a business failure.

But still I hope it is a joke, or the decision can be undone. Whenever there's a petition, I will sign it with pleasure.

Send you love and a lot of wisdom!

Karin

* typos because of emotions

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I don't know why adobe is sending us to other companies.  Of course the thread announcing the demise of Muse has been removed.  I am . very disappointed with Adobe not treating your designer customers with respect.  I pay you enough and wonder why first I got an e mail raising my prices and then the week later telling me about Muse cancellation. All of you guys seem to be saying the same thing in a million different ways.  I asked for the truth from Adobe. I asked for the big wigs at Adobe to make a statement about this to all of us.  This isn't like a brand or model of a car that is being discontinued it is about a software tool that has become very valuable to the design community. It is about the Adobe brand that has eroded into a greedy corporation with obvious leaders who care more about shareholders than their customers.  I will work with Muse as long as I can. But We all had a heck of an emotional week last week. We are all in disbelief. I am still in disbelief but really just angry that you have the power to hold us hostage with monthly fees that I will have to pay as long as I wish to be a designer or until the industry standard for layout software shifts to a company who actually cares.

You are basically bullies. I have read your terms.  And just the other day I had to reread them again and agree to them if I wanted to continue to use your products.  You know I didn't agree with many points but had to check that little box to keep working.  This scares me Adobe. That is bullying tactics. Essentially your terms say we as customers have no rights at all.  And we all have to sign it. Then of course if you dispute this after the fact you are told that you signed the terms of use.

I have to use your products like the whole design community. I have been a designer a long time.  I never expected my major supplier would turn out to be a company who forgets who supported them in the beginning. Illustrator 88 that was my first Adobe product.  It isn't about Muse it is about horrible business practices from a company whose executives do not have the decency to come forward and tell us why this is happening and what we really can hope to see from Adobe and web design products down the road.  Something is fishy here.  I feel some fake news around this announcement. There is a back story here that we all deserve to know.

I will never trust Adobe again.  I appreciate the support fro a year and I was sure glad I never used Business Catalyst.  I can ease my clients into a revised site if and when the time comes. But you don't get the impact of turning your backs on the design community, the same community that allows your Executive office to live the life of a hugely paid entity. We as designers sure won't make that kind of money.  And the decision that these high paid people made has cost the design community millions plus.  The sad part is Adobe does not care.  I have had business blows over my 30+yers as a designer and this is just another blip.  I hope this costs you millions.  But what I really would like to see is honest, ethics and some compassion from the head office officers. 

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Ankush, the problem is that MUSE could handle softball photography sites all the way up to heavy corporate sites. I REALLY hate that Muse is going away. I wish they had done more advertising. The cost was not bad and my clients loved the results.

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NO, YOU DIDN'T HEAR US!!!!!  My entire business model centered around the use of Muse, and now everything I worked for is gone!  What's the point of a CC subscription if the software I want is no longer available?!?!  Thanks Adobe.  There's a special place in HELL for people like you!

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Any news on this yet Ankushr?... Beta date  /  features included etc!

cheers!

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Hi Ankush,

when is the new spark release coming? You said this year? It isn't very long any more. 🙂

best,

Wolfram

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Spark looks absolutely basic and nothing like Muse in terms of being a professional option. HELP!!!!!!!!

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Spark is for one page stories or newsletters.  It's not a replacement for Muse.  Nothing really is.   Professionals must be able to adapt to different situations.  That requires good coding skills and familiarity with lots of different tools for different tasks. 

 

 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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Ok I found it "Without Code" sound interesting

https://www.wocode.com/

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Without code looks like a ramped up Wix.

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We recently put an article together recently comparing some alternatives to Adobe Muse for both simple and more complex sites.  Simplest alternative to Adobe Muse? PageCloud vs Webflow 

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Muse had PLENTY of users. Just look at all the Muse-based services across the web selling Muse code, widgets and templates. It was a thriving community. Adobe simply saw the success of generic template sites like Squarespace and Wix and said, “Hey, THAT’S where the REAL money is!”

Adobe as well as a handful of people on this forum want you to believe that Muse wasn’t capable of keeping up with modern web standards or that there weren’t enough users. It’s not true. Adobe is a business. Their board of directors decided to follow the Squarespace/Wix business model which is what is coming to Spark very soon (they spell it out for you in the press release announcing Muse’s demise). The Muse product would be in direct conflict with the new features they are adding to Spark. THAT is the REAL STORY here. Muse being axed has everything to do with developing new ways to squeeze more money from people and absolutely nothing to do future web standards.

Adobe will make Spark into a Squarespace/Wix type of service. If you have an Adobe CC account you may get it for “free“ or at a reduced rate. And it will be open to non-CC members to purchase monthly or annual subscriptions, which is something Muse could not do. Adobe will make more money going after Squarespace and Wix by signing up non-CC members to this service.

Just pray they don’t force CC members to host these new Spark based sites on Adobe‘s own servers and then charge extra for it. I can see Adobe doing that.

Bottom line... don’t trust Adobe with ANY of their new products. They will f@$* you in the end!

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Yes, Robo, I totally agree. This move by Adobe has nothing to do with any weaknesses in Muse or the needs of the designers who use it, but with Adobe trying to improve their profits even if it comes at the expense of a segment of their customer base. Again, I think this is a downside of the subscription model and a problem with having one company be a giant in the graphic design industry. Adobe will not be hurt by dropping Muse, unlike if the app itself were making money directly as opposed to being bundled in a suite. I use four Adobe products daily, it's not like I'm going to drop my subscription because one of those apps disappears, even if I need it.

I'm still trying to get over the shock that Adobe would treat its customers like this.

I have no intention of using Spark, even for customers who may want such a thing. I have no confidence Adobe will stand by that product/service either. For something like that, if a client wanted it, I would go to Wordpress.

Muse was fully capable of keeping up with modern web standards. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with Muse that would have prevented that. In fact, the app was developing nicely, in my opinion, both in its support by Adobe and its extensibility by third party developers. For the small designer with a skill set focused on actual design and practicality, and making custom websites for clients without many backend needs, Muse was perfect and unique.

It's unfortunate they did this, but it's reality, so we have to deal. I'm still eyeing Pinegrow as my best jump to option. I probably won't know what works best in the long run for another few months after more usage. I should send Adobe a bill for all the time it's taking me to adjust my business to what they decided to do.

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You guys ever used flexi from extend studio... a plugin for dreamweaver... alot like muse

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Is Extend Studio around anymore?  They haven't released a Flexi Layouts extension since 2015.

http://www.extendstudio.com/product/flexi-layouts-3-for-dreamweaver.html

 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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Yes it is still around... though they have not made a new release... but I still use there software quite effectively hand in hand with dream weaver... and the visual interfase is easy to use and understand if you don't know a great deal about code... but if you do know a good deal of how css and html work it is quite effective... I know how to code if need be... I am just pressed for time and like a program to do it for me where and when possible

 

Im still up in the air on whether I like Flexi Layouts Pro 2.5 or the newer version 3.0

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Community Beginner ,
Sep 24, 2018

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Two things that make it tough to change my CMS from Muse to anything else:

1~ Most alternatives have a very 'bootstrap' grid feel to them. Columns and rows. Maybe they're doing this to accommodate responsiveness. But, as a designer, I like a more organic feel. I like it when components overlap. I feel this creates more continuity which is what Muse allowed me to do.

2~The learning curve. If it's drag-and-drop there is virtually no learning curve (ie.- WordPress). Not much creativity either. Web Flow looks to be a possibility but it is definitely not drag-and-drop. Before you sell a Web Flow site, you better spend a few months developing some skills (at your own expense).

So until Adobe sells Muse and someone with deep pockets resurrects it (don't bet your career on it), Us Musers are in for a bumpy ride.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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If you're in this for the long term, put your time and energies into native web apps that browsers support.  Don't fall victim to apps that rely on proprietary file types like MU that can only be opened in Muse.  Work with native HTML, CSS and JS files so if the app you're using falls off the rails you have immediate options you can switch to. 

Start learning CSS Flexbox and CSS Grids for responsive layouts.   This is not rocket science.

Supporting tools:

  • Dreamweaver
  • Wappler
  • Brackets
  • Pinegrow
  • Bootstrap Studio
  • VS Code
Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web.com

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