P: MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max Laggy Liquify

[Abreu.pedro]

MacBook Pro Apple M2 Max 96GB RAM - Photoshop 24.2
I recently changed to this new computer and photoshop is super laggy in tools like liquify and other filters, the brush lags a lot!
Even the zoom is slow.
Even my 2015 MacBook is faster at these tasks.

I don't know what is going on but something can't be right...

[Simone29283792lrmr]

Hi @fastfingers 

did you find the solution? I have the exact same problem, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, I always see the changes in the preview window but sometimes when I press ok it doesn't show the results, like I didn't do anything. I can't figure out what the problem is because it only happens sometimes. It's frustrating.

MacBook Pro M1 Max, 64GB ram, macOS Ventura

Let me know! Thanks

[Michael26656259vw18]

We bought several Macbooks M2 Max 64gb for our design team and we all experience the lag issue while using Liquify. No other plugins installed, we're using the latest update. Please fix it, Adobe.

[joe29046203huc9]

I have a Mac Mini M2 16GB RAM 256G SSD and Photoshop 24.3, the liquify tool is also super laggy. I have tried to disable/enable native canvas, or to move the scratch disk to another extended large SSD, or to totally re-install the OS and PS, none of these approaches works. Only turing off GPU works but the face detection have to be disabled.

Here is my system info (in Chinese), which may be helpful.

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[ppdix]

Adobe please! It's been 10 days and no fix for the M2 problem. I have a new Mac and can't use it because I really need liquify. Please FIX ASAP!

Thanx

[Autantpourmoi]

same trouble here on a MBP M2 Max , liquify can't be used 

[fastfingers]

Hey @Simone29283792lrmr ,

No I haven't found a solution.. It's exactly as you describe, but happens only occasionally so it's very hard to replicate on cue. I'm on PS 24.3.

[fastfingers]

Hi @CoryShubert 

I've done both, it becomes very slow and it's not possible for me to work like that. I wasn't able to replicate this occasionally appearing issue when Native Canvas or GPU liquify acceleration are off, but that doesn't mean it never happens.

[Tim29421742o23g]

Exact same liquify problem on New M2 MacbookPro. Extremely annoying!!

[Autantpourmoi]

I went back to PSp 2022 whe re liquify works great even if it isn't free of bugs , got few crashes on macbookpro M2 Max as well ... Looks like it won't be free of bugs for a long time for those M chips

[ppdix]

Well I got tired of waiting for Adobe to fix liquify for M2 and downloaded the PS Beta... Not only Liquify works fine but the Beta also has the New Remove Tool which is the most amazing tool ever! It's an AI content aware removal tool that works better than anything I've ever seen before. Make sure to check it out!

[fastfingers]

I definitely don't recommend using the current Beta on a production machine, lots of things don't work.

[ppdix]

Well it turns out Liquify doesn't work well on the Beta either but everything else is fine and I couldn't go back to 24.3 without the Amazing Remove Tool and the contextual bar... I just wish the contextual bar was more elegant and efficient and the 20-year-old style popup windows got a much needed refresh. I wish for floating windows and sliders that don't obstruct the pictures, even on big screens. Photoshop needs a modern overhaul...

[fastfingers]

Workaround for liquify not working in Photoshop 24.3 2023 on a M2 Mac.

Before using Liquify, make the layer to be liquified a smart object.

I've tested this for about a day so far and hasn't failed me once.

[ppdix]

Awesome tip. I'll try it later! Cheers!

[ppdix]

Didn't work for me. I tried it on 24.3 and the 24.5 Beta. Still impossible to use Liquify without holding option before... And still it doesn't feel the same without the GPU on... This sucks! 2 weeks without a fix... 

[llocq]

Adobe this needs fixing just got an M2Max Macbook pro and it has this excact issue with Liquify....It is loading and it does the job but its waaaaaay too laggy to the point that I have to redo a lot of stuff..

My 2019 intel i9 Macbbok pro does not have that isuue at all.

[fastfingers]

I believe there may be 2 Liquify issues:

1) It doesn't work at all with GPU acceleration (which I haven't experienced)

2) Another one which I and @Simone29283792lrmr described: the result of the Liquify is sometimes not applied after exiting the Liquify window, seemingly randomly. This happens regardless of GPU acceleration status and can be worked around by liquifying a Smart Object.

[grayskyz]

I'm having the same issue on the current version and the previous verison on my Mac Mini M2 Pro.

My base model M1 Macbook Air is WAY faster with zero lag in Liquify. I can't understand why this is.

[Autantpourmoi]

Did the last update 24.4.1 fixes the liquify issue ? 

[ppdix]

It seems to work finally but it's not quite as fluid as it is on an M1 machine. I can't believe they can't figure out what the problem is. It is usable but I sometimes get a stuck cursor when I am on the grey area between the image and the settings on the right.

incredibly annoying and frustrating

[llocq]

Mine works fine tested today as soon as I updated!!

M2 Max MacBook pro

[CoryShubert]

Hi all, curious if the recent 24.4.1 update solves this issue for you?

[Adam28161884k3es]

24.4.1 did not fix the problem. Still laggy, especially with large files. Lag is not present in 2022 version

[grayskyz]

24.4.1 is a huge improvment for me. It's still not as fast as my base model M1 MAcbook Air BUT!.....At least it is usable and I no longer sound like I have tourettes everytime I need to liquify something

[grayskyz]

Huge improvement over yesterday's version. It's usable but, still not up to par. Thank you though, I have a lot of files to get out the door today so this helps a lot!