i was going to get a dell u2713h

Report · Jul 09, 2013

i was going to get the dell u2713h but heard bad things about the hardware calibration support or lack of -- i have also heard that LG ?model has an excellent monitor for photo processing --- any help would be greatly appreciated -- i am a nubee but want to do it right

thanks marty

Report · Jul 09, 2013

If you don't get help from an owner here, you can try this site:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

Report · Jul 09, 2013

good review of the dell monitor!

my concern with the dell is multiple complaints about haveing to use i1Display Pro and not being able to use anyother calibration system -- at the present time i do not have any calibration display system, so possibly it does not matter in my case -- however i also saw some complaints about difficulty in using the display pro ----- there was some info that the LG27EA83-D is as good as the Dell so i was trying to gain info on these 2 monitors -- i now have learned there is a NEC PA272-W-BK-SV around the corner, they have already released the 24" version i know this would be a pricy monitor but not sure if it is worth the extra $

i have just finished building a computer from the ground up for photography and need a quality monitor for it, i am using a spare monitor i have for my regular computer for now but need to move on soon to a better monitor

Report · Jul 09, 2013

The DisplayPro is needeed for calibrating the monitor hardware, but you can use another system to profile the monitor. I just got a U2713H a couple weeks ago, and can profile it with my I1 Pro (an older model) just fine.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Yes but only to the software LUT level, as for most any monitor.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

F8toF11 wrote:
good review of the dell monitor!
...-- i now have learned there is a NEC PA272-W-BK-SV around the corner, they have already released the 24" version i know this would be a pricy monitor but not sure if it is worth the extra $...

I have the NEC Spectraview PA271W and am very happy with it. I imagine the next generation will be even better. I use the I1 Diplay Pro to calibrate and with the NEC Spectraview II software hardware calibration is a doddle. This is in contrast to the European NEC Profiler calibration software which I think is hard to use...at least I found it difficult.

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nickna12 wrote
This is in contrast to the European NEC Profiler calibration software which I think is hard to use...at least I found it difficult.

Yes, and beware the calibration expert at your local camera club. We have just such a person who has ruined several peoples displays because 'he knows best'. Although, to be fair, I thought, for ages, that he had wrcked the club's laptop and projector because my projected images looked dull and undersaturated. It turned out it was entirely my fault because I had been entering Adobe RGB images, and the gear was calibrated for sRGB. We'd been told over and over to get the spec right, but everyone knows that reading instructions can make you go blind. Right?

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Marty,

I have the Dell U2713HM. Don't know the difference between U2713H and U2713HM but my model is a very good monitor and I have it calibrated with a Spyder4Pro 4.5. Works beatifully.

Ronald

Report · Jul 09, 2013

I just use a cheap Huey Pro on my Dell 2709W and Philips 190B monitors. The Huey saw the second monitor as soon as it was connected, and asked it should be added to the calibration. I love the Dell.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Aren't Dell monitors made by Philipps?

Just asking; remember I'm a Mac user with no Dell experience.

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Report · Jul 09, 2013

station_two wrote:
Aren't Dell monitors made by Philipps?
Just asking; remember I'm a Mac user with no Dell experience.
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That's kind of ironic, because I have read that Dell uses the same panels (LG) as the Apple Cinema displays. At least they were the same when I got my 1920x1200 30 inch ultrasharp. I guess things like that are pretty fluid and change all the time.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Model	Response Time	Panel
Dell 1704FP	25ms	17" Chunghwa Picture Tubes PVA
Dell 1704FPT	12ms	17" Samsung TN Film (LTM170EU)
Dell 1706FP	25ms	17" Samsung PVA (LTM170E8)
Dell 1707FP	8ms	17" TN Film
Dell 1905FP	20ms or 8ms G2G	19" Samsung PVA (LTM190E4-L02) or AU Optronics P-MVA (M190EN03 V0)
Dell 1906FP	25ms	19" Samsung PVA (LTM190E4)
Dell 1907FP	8ms	19" AU Optronics (M190EN04 V5) or Samsung (LTM190EX-L21) or LG.Philips (LM190E03-T2) TN Film
Dell 2001FP	16ms	20" LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201U04)
Dell 2005FPW	16ms	20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01)
Dell 2007WFP	16ms or 8ms G2G	20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01) or Samsung S-PVA (LTM201M1)
Dell 2405FPW	16ms (12ms G2G)	24"WS Samsung PVA (LTM240M1-L01)
Dell E176FP	12ms	17" TN Film
Dell E193FP	16ms	19" TN Film
Dell E196FP	8ms	19" TN Film
Dell 3007WFP	14ms (11ms G2G)	30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)
Dell 2007FP	16ms or 8ms G2G	20" LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201U05) or Samsung S-PVA (LTM201U1)
Dell 2407WFP	6ms G2G	24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240M2) or AU Optronics AMVA (M240UW01)
Dell 1800FP	30ms	18" IPS
Dell 1801FP	30ms	18" IPS
Dell 1702FP	25ms	17" MVA
Dell 1703FP	25ms	17" PVA
Dell E171FP	25ms	17" TN Film
Dell E172FP	25ms	17" TN Film
Dell E173FP	25ms	17" LG.Philips TN Film (LM170E01)
Dell 1704FPV	25ms	17" Samsung PVA (LTM170E8)
Dell 1906FPT	25ms	19" Samsung PVA (LTM190E4)
Dell 1906FPT	25ms	19" Samsung PVA (LTM190E4)
DELL W3202MC	16ms	32"WS PVA
Dell 1505FP	25ms	15" TN Film
Dell E177FP	8ms	17" TN Film
Dell 1707FPV	25ms	17" Samsung PVA (LTM170E8-L01)
Dell E207WFP	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell E228WFP	5ms	22"WS Samsung (LTM220M1-L01) or CMO (M220Z1-L01) TN Film
Dell 1907FPV	20ms	19" Samsung PVA (LTM190E4-L02)
Dell SE177FP	8ms	17" TN Film
Dell SE197FP	8ms	19" TN Film
Dell E197FP	8ms	19" TN Film
Dell 2707WFP	6ms G2G	27"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM270M1)
Dell 3007WFP-HC	8ms G2G	30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300WQ1)
Dell 2407WFP-HC	6ms G2G	24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS01)
Dell 1908FP	5ms	19" TN Film
Dell SE198WFP	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell E178FP	5ms	17" TN Film
Dell E198FP	5ms	19" TN Film
Dell SP2008WFP	2ms G2G	20"WS Chunghwa Picture Tubes (201WA04) or LG.Philips (LM201WE3-TLJ1) TN Film
Dell E248WFP	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell SP2208WFP	2ms G2G	22"WS AU Optronics (M220EW01 V5) or Samsung (LTM220M2-L01) TN Film
Dell 2208WFP	5ms	22"WS TN Film
Dell W1900	25ms	19"WS Samsung PVA (LTA190W1)
Dell 2408WFP	6ms G2G	24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS05)
Dell 3008WFP	8ms G2G	30"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM300WQ5-STA1)
Dell Crystal 22-inch	2ms G2G	22"WS TN Film
Dell 2009W	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell S199WFP	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell 2009WFP	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell E198WFP	5ms	19"Ws TN Film
Dell 2709W	6ms G2G	27"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM270CS01)
Dell S2409W	5ms	24"WS AU Optronics TN Film (M240HW01 V0)
Dell SP2009W	2ms G2G	20"WS TN Film
Dell 1908WFP	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell S2309W	5ms	23"WS Samsung TN Film (LTM230HT01)
Dell E2209W	5ms	22"WS TN Film
Dell S1909WX	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell S1709W	8ms	17"WS TN Film
Dell SP2309W	2ms G2G	23"WS Samsung TN Film (LTM230TT01/02)
Dell E1909WFP	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell 1909W	5ms	19"WS TN Film
Dell S2209W	5ms	21.5"WS AU Optronics TN Film (M215HW01 V0)
Dell G2210	5ms	22"WS CMO TN Film (M220Z2-L01)
Dell E153FPc	25ms	15" TN Film
Dell 2209WA	6ms G2G	22"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM220WE4-SLB1)
Dell G2410	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell SX2210	2ms G2G	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell ST2010	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell U2711	6ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM270WQ2)
Dell P2210	5ms	22"WS TN Film
Dell E190S	5ms	19" TN Film
Dell E170S	5ms	17" TN Film
Dell E2010H	5ms	20"WS Samsung TN Film (LTM200TT01)
Dell E2010H	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell E2310H	5ms	23"WS TN Film
Dell U2410	6ms G2G	24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4-SLB1)
Dell P2310H	5ms	23"WS TN Film
Dell ST2210	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell ST2310	5ms	23"WS TN Film
Dell P2010H	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell S1909WN	5ms	18.5"WS TN Film
Dell SX2210T	2ms G2G	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell ST2410	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell U2211H	8ms G2G	21.5"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM215WF2-SLB1)
Dell E2210H	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell G2410H	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell U2311H	8ms G2G	23"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM230WF2)
Dell P2210H	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell P2311H	5ms	23"WS LG.Display TN Film (LM230WF5)
Dell IN2020M	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell IN2020	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell ST2220M	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell ST2320L	5ms	23"WS LG.Display TN Film (LM230WF5)
Dell ST2320	5ms	23"WS LG.Display TN Film (LM230WF5)
Dell ST2420	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell ST2420L	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell ST2210	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell ST2010	5ms	20"WS TN Film
Dell U3011	7ms G2G	30"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM300WQ5)
Dell P2411H	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell ST2220T	8ms G2G	21.5"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM215WF5-SLA1)
Dell XPS 15 (L501X) "B+RG"	8ms	15.6"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B156HW01 V7)
Dell Latitude E6500	unknown	15.4"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP154WU2)
Dell Studio 1555	8ms	15.6"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B156XW02 V0 or B156HW01 V0)
Dell XPS 15 (L501X)	8ms	15.6"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B156XW02 V2)
Dell Studio 1557	8ms	15.6"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B156HW01 V0)
Dell Precision M4500	unknown	15.6"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP156WF1)
Dell Studio XPS 16 (W-LED)	8ms	15.6"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B156HW01 V1)
Dell XPS 17 (L701X)	8ms	17.3"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP173WD1-TLA1)
Dell studio 1745	8ms	17.3"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B173RW01 V0)
Dell Inspiron 9300	unknown	17"WS Samsung TN Film (LTN170WP-L02)
Dell Inpiron N7010	unknown	17.3"WS Samsung TN Film (LTN173KT01)
Dell Studio 1558	8ms	15.6"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP156WF1-TLA1 or LP156WF1-TLB1) or Innolux TN Film (BT156GW01)
Dell Vostro 1520	unknown	15.4"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B154PW02 V1)
Dell 2000FP	25ms	20" LG.Philips S-IPS
Dell Latitude E6400	16ms	14.1"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP141WP2-TLA1)
Dell Vostro 1510	16ms	15.4"WS AU Optronics TN Film (B154EW02 V2)
Dell XPS 17 L702x (3D)	unknown	17.3"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP173WF2-TPA1)
Dell XPS 17 L702x (non-3D)	8ms	17.3"WS CMO TN Film (N173HGE-L11/L21)
Dell SR2320L	5ms	23"WS TN Film
Dell U2412M	8ms G2G	24"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM240WU8-SLA2 )
Dell U2212HM	8ms G2G	21.5"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM215WF3-SLC1)
Dell U2312HM	8ms G2G	23"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM230WF3-SLD1)
Dell S2230MX	2ms G2G	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell S2330MX	2ms G2G	23"WS TN Film
Dell Precision M6500	unknown	17.0"WS Samsung TN Film (LTN170CT08-D01)
Dell Vostro V131	unknown	13.3"WS CMO TN Film (N133BGE-L31)
Dell Latitude E5420	unknown	14.0"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP140WD1-TLA1)
Dell ST2220L	5ms	21.5"WS TN Film
Dell 1907FPc	8ms	19" AU Optronics (M190EN04 V5) or Samsung (LTM190EX-L21) or LG.Philips (LM190E03-T2) TN Film
Dell XPS 14Z (L412Z)	unknown	14.0"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP140WH6-TJA1)
Dell U2713HM	8ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM270QW1-SLB2)
Dell ST2410B	5ms	24"WS TN Film
Dell S2740L	7ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM270WF5-SLB1)
Dell S2440L	6ms G2G	24"WS AU Optronics AMVA (M240HVN01 V0)
Dell S2340M	7ms G2G	23"WS LG.Display IPS
Dell S2340L	7ms G2G	23"WS LG.Display IPS
Dell S2240M	7ms G2G	21.5"WS LG.Display IPS
Dell S2340T	8ms G2G	23"WS LG.Display IPS
Dell U2913WM	8ms G2G	29"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM290WW1-SSA1)
Dell U2713H	6ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM270WQ3-SLA1)
Dell U2413	6ms G2G	24"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM240WU9-SLA1)
Dell U3014	6ms G2G	30"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM300WQ6-SLA1)
Dell P2412H	5ms	24"WS TN Film

JJMack

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Model	Response Time	Panel
Dell U2713HM	8ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM270QW1-SLB2)
Dell U2713H	6ms G2G	27"WS LG.Display AH-IPS (LM270WQ3-SLA1)

JJMack

Report · Jul 09, 2013

JJ, can you rustle up similar info for Apple Cinema and Thunderbolt displays? Never mind. I Googled.

Thunderbolt

Resolution: 2560 by 1440 pixels
Colours (maximum): 16.7 million
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Viewing angle: 178° horizontal; 178° vertical
Brightness: 375 cd/m²
Contrast ratio: 1000:1
Response time: 12 milliseconds

Cinema

Screen size : 27 inches (diagonal viewable)
Screen type : TFT Active-Matrix LCD
Resolution : 2560x1440 pixels
Color resolution : 16.7 million
Aspect ratio : 16:9
Viewing angle : 178° horizontal; 178° vertical
Brightness : 375 cd/m2
Contrast ratio : 1000:1
Frequency Response : 12 ms

Report · Jul 09, 2013

• Brightness : 375 cd/m2

Yikes! I wouldn't want to have to deal with one of those suckers!

No wonder Noel prefers the dark Photoshop interface. Ouch!

Report · Jul 09, 2013

station_two wrote:
• Brightness : 375 cd/m2
Yikes! I wouldn't want to have to deal with one of those suckers!
No wonder Noel prefers the dark Photoshop interface. Ouch!

The extreme brightness took a lot of getting used to with my Dell ultrasharp, and two years down the line (it might be three) it still kind of shouts at me. It has also ruined me as regards using other screens for Photoshop, and I stopped taking my 19 inch Dell laptop on trips because I found it inadequate for image processing. In fact, I still haven't committed with my current bit to update the laptop because I am not sure how much use it would get, and it's a bunch of dollars to sit doing nothing.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

I'm totally spoiled by my CRT behemoths.

Display brightness calibration target is 95 candelas. Δe is astonishingly accurate.

I'd go both blind and completely crazy at 375 cd/m2.

I validate the calibration at least weekly. It has remained steady for years and years.

99% of my Photoshop work/play is for print.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

My LCD is set for the equivalent Brightnes of 100 IRE, the standard brightness of b&w and Color TV's of the past. At that level, the brightest white is only somewhat brighter than pure white on a paper like Canson Platine Fiber Rag. I can match it exactly if I wish, it's sitting at Brightness 26 and Contrast 84 on the menus of the Dell 2412. I have room to lower it but I believe the curves then will compromise dhadow detail, and how I hate to have to tweak that after printing. I never liked it in the darkroom either. One paper grade shift could render shadows from flat to totally black!

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Larry, you sent me off to google IRE. Thanks for that.

An IRE is a unit used in the measurement of composite video signals. Its name is derived from the initials of the Institute of Radio Engineers.

A value of 100 IRE was originally defined to be the range from black to white in a video signal. A value of 0 IRE corresponds to the zero voltage value during the blanking period. The sync pulse is normally 40 IRE below the zero value, so, peak to peak, an all-white signal should be equal to 140 IRE.

The reason IRE is a relative measurement (percent) is because a video signal may be any amplitude. This unit is used in the ITU-R BT.470 which defines PAL, NTSC and SECAM.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Have no clue as to how that relates to candelas per square meter… if at all.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

I've had it with this g..d..mn forum or rather, Jive.

Now, every time I reconnect, I have to sign in.

WTF!

So far as the IRE connection, if you set up your monitor defining the lowest visible detail in the blacks then set the range to be defined by the whiteness you actually want, you wind up with 0 to 100% as the range of values. (Forget about the sync pulses!)

I realize this is all over the map with LCD monitors because they have a brightness value far higher than a crt and certainly paper white. But even b&w crt's from the 40's and 50's can blow you out.

So I set the brightness value to 100 (during calibration), use the black clipping point as an absolute minimum and adjust contrast and brightness to achieve a working gray scale that approximates the IRE range. Since it is in terms of a %, to say 100 IRE as an absolute brightness is incorrect. But I fudged it enough so that the approximation works well for me, not unlike defining the tonal range of a negative in terms of the zone system. I do this strictly with the i1 and not by eye, although I do tweak it a bit later to bring it into compliance with the print scale and brightness.

If your work is for display on a monitor, you may find this too limiting. It's a matter of taste, seems to me. But I have to say that watching a well made movie, b&w or color on this monitor calibrated and profiled correctly, is a joy! Even (especially?) films like "Casablanca"!

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Hudechrome wrote:
I've had it with this g..d..mn forum or rather, Jive.
Now, every time I reconnect, I have to sign in.
WTF!

Was happening to me right after CC went live, which I managed to convince myself, was no coincidence. I mentioned it here, and was advised to clear my browser cache, and it is all working OK now.

Report · Jul 09, 2013

Two Links for you

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/panels.php

Model	Response Time	Panel
Apple 20" Cinema Display (M9177)	16ms	20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01)
Apple 23" Cinema Display (M9178)	16ms	23"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM230W02)
Apple 30" Cinema Display (M9179)	16ms	30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)
Apple iMac 17"	unknown	17"WS TN Film
Apple 20" Cinema Display (M9177-Alu)	14ms	20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS
Apple 23" Cinema Display (M9178-Alu)	14ms	23"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM230WU3)
Apple 30" Cinema Display (M9179-Alu)	14ms	30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)
Apple iMac 24"	12ms G2G	24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU2-(SL)(B1))
Apple Alu 24"	12ms G2G	24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU2-(SL)(B1))
Apple iMac 20"	unknown	20"WS LG.Display TN Film (LM201WE3) or Samsung S-PVA (LTM201M1)
Apple 24 LED Cinema Display	14ms	24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU6-SDA1)
Apple iMac 27"	unknown	27"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM270WQ1-SDA2)
Apple iMac 27" MB952LL/A	unknown	27"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM270WQ1-SDA2)
Apple iMac 21.5" MB950LL/A	unknown	21.5"WS IPS
Apple iMac 21.5" EMC 2428	unknown	21.5"WS LG.Display IPS (LM215WF3-SDC2)
Apple 27" LED Cinema Display	12ms	27"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM270WQ1)
Apple 27 LED Cinema Display	12ms	27"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM270WQ1)
Apple Macbook Pro A1229	unknown	17.1"WS LG.Philips TN Film (LP171WE2-TLA3)
Apple MBP Z0GH	16ms	15.4"WS LG.Display TN Film (LP154WP4-TLA1)
Apple MBP (2011)	unknown	15.4"WS Samsung TN Film (LTN154MT07)
Apple iMac 21.5" A1311	unknown	21.5"WS LG.Display IPS (LM215WF3-SDA1)
Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display	unknown	15.4"WS LG.Display AH- IPS (LP154WT1-SJA1 GD)

JJMack

i was going to get a dell u2713h

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