rotate not rotating around the pictures center

[ultrachrome]

Sorry...I thought this would be super elementry but I can't find the answer anywhere. 

I've been using Photoshop for 15 years now but lately when I rotate a picture, it is rotating around some random point, not the center. It's doing this on different computers and different accounts. I'm sure the answer is super simple but all i can find is changing the rotation point in transform...not general rotation.

Thanks and sorry for being stupid, This is probabaly like looking for your keys and discovering them in your hand

[CMass]

Hey @ultrachrome, 

There are never any dumb questions—seriously! More often than not, it ends up being a keyboard shortcut that someone accidentally hits (I’ve done that so many times myself).

I tried to reproduce what you described, but I’m having a little trouble picturing it. Would you be able to share a screenshot or a quick screen recording of your workspace? That would really help us narrow things down and get to the bottom of it.

^CM

[ultrachrome]

thank you CMass

[ultrachrome]

Seems to be always pushing into the upper left corner

[Peru Bob]

Is it doing it for only one particular file?

Or does it happen for all images?

[ultrachrome]

all images and all file types...thank you 🙂

[BrettN]

When performing a transform, you have the option of choosing the pivot point around which rotations occur. The default is the center, but you can move it to a corner, edge, or some arbitrary point. You should see the pivot point as a crosshair and it can be dragged around by hand. There are also controls in the tool options bar in the upper right. With this you can turn pivot on and off (checked/unchecked). As well as choosing a specific location from a grid:

Here the box is checked and Center is chosen from the grid.

Oddly, it should always return to center every time you start a transform again. It might be a good idea to reset your preferences to get the default established again: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#reset_preferences 

[ultrachrome]

Thank Brett but this isn't a transform...just a straight rotation chosen from Image > image rotation

[jane-e]

@ultrachrome 

Please show your options bar after you select Image > Image Rotation and before you accept the rotation.

You can also rotate using Edit > Free Transform to rotate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF-x7-n5rLI

Jane

[ultrachrome]

Hello Jane-e 

The option bar doesn't change when rotate is used from the image menu. It remains on what the last tool used was. 

[BrettN]

A piviot point is used to control how one object rotates in relation to another (a layer to the document canvas, for example). Image Rotatation doesn't really use a pivot point to rotate, the image is just rotated in the arbitrary space of the Photoshop UI. If you are zoomed out to see the entire canvas, it should appear to rotate the canvas around a central pivot point. But if you are zoomed into an area that is not the exact center, things may appear to shift. Rotation does not occur based around the center of your view. 

[Trevor.Dennis]

It's behaving like you have content outside the image bounds.

You have said different computers and accounts.  Hmmm...  I have read down the thread and seen it also happens with all images.  Very strange.

It should rotate around the central reference point. Do you have that turned on in Preferences?  The default is for it to be turned off.

Does this also happen when you use Free Transform?

If you initiate FT with Ctrl T, does the bounding box extend outside the canvas?

We don't see the Reference point with Rotate Canvas, but in your best judgement, is Rotate Canvas always rotating around the same relative position?

How does it work with different sized images.  i.e. is this arbitrary rotation point a fixed number of pixels from top left, or is it a percentage as in 25% in and down from top left corner.

I am struggling to think how this could happen with all images after a manual Preference reset.

Have you tried it with the Beta version?  I suspect it would be very unlikely to affect different versions, but we are fishing for as much data as we can accrue at the moment, and hoping it triggers something.

It's an interesting one for sure. 

[ultrachrome]

Thanks Trevor - Maybe I'm not going crazy. In the past, rotate would always rotate from the center axis but now, the image is being pushed into the upper left hand corner of how the image was originally opened or last centered on the screen. Square images rotate normal. It is only other aspect ratios that push into the upper left hand corner.

I haven't tried the Beta version because of past bad experiences with beta versions.

Image transform works as it should and I had hoped by turning on the center align there, would effect the image rotate feature too but it doesn't. 

There are other bugs too I've never had. For instance...when I'm running an action with a crop in it, I only see the bounding box for the crop if i start the action with the crop tool engaged. Also, I no long get my previous curve wth the short cut control+alt+M.

This is happening on two computers with two different accounts.

[BrettN]

I dug a bit deeper on this and I see that there was a change in behavior. It started in PS2022 and it does change how it rotates. Rather than pivoting around a point like the center, it instead swap positions: The top left corner of the image remains in place. So, if you do a 90 clockwise rotation, the corner in the lower left rises to become the top left corner. At the same time, this corner moves to the exact same position where the old top left corner was. It's a rather odd movement. Looks like there were some changes made in PS in '22 that might explain the behavior. I'll get this reported to the team.

[ultrachrome]

Thank you BrettN!...Okay, I'll stop trying to fix it. Can you also check into the other two issues I mentioned to Trevor Dennis?

That is when I'm running an action with a crop in it, I only see the bounding box for the crop if i start the action with the crop tool engaged. Also, I no long get my previous curve wth the short cut control+alt+M.

[BrettN]

Cmd+Alt+M is working for me, it opens Curves and has the last settings I used. This is something where a preferences reset is likely to help. 

On the more manual side, you can check is Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts. Find the Curves option in the list and verify it is set correctly. You can also simply make sure that Photoshop Defaults is in the Set drop-down at the top right. You can try applying Cmd+Alt+M to Curves, it should return an error that it is already in use, just to see what happens. 

Also, there may be something in the system which is eating the Alt key entry and just sending Cmd+M to Photoshop. It could be helpful to try running the OS in a simplified started (which prevents applications which run in the background from opening automatically at system boot). For Mac, this is called Safe Boot and is accessed by holding the Shift key at launch. See: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/start-up-your-mac-in-safe-mode-mh21245/mac#:~:text=Turn%20o.... 

[BrettN]

For the Crop Action, I wouldn't expect to see the crop box during action playback, it should just apply. Unless you turn on the toggle dialog option, which will then pause the action and wait for the crop to be chosen and applied before continuing the action. And that is working on my end. But maybe I'm missing something from your process

[Jeff Arola]

Is it possible having Overscroll enabled in Edit>Preferences>Tools>Overscroll is causing the rotation "off center"in relation to the document area?

[ultrachrome]

Hmmm....yes, indeed that has corrected it but why should it have this behaviour. I find overscroll very handy but with that seems to come weird rotations. Or perhaps there's a reason I'm missing

Thank you for that - now I have to decide which is more important to me...probably having overscroll on

[Erin26]

Hi @ultrachrome,

One method to get the desired behavior is to use the Rotate Tool (R), which rotates from the center of the canvas.

[BrettN]

Thanks @Jeff Arola for pointing that out. Looking into it, as of version 2022, Overscroll is on by default, where it was off by default in previous versions.