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Spinning Wheel problem on M1 Max and Photoshop

Engaged ,
May 21, 2023 May 21, 2023

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Hi All, 

 

I installed latest version of photoshop and Bridge. Also latest verison of MacOS

 

I just had a spinning wheel for about 2 minutes when creating a clean stamp layered smart object on an 2.50gb image in Photoshop. This problem doesnt happen every time, but often enough and at random. I keep getting this spinning wheel for inoirdinant amount of time say when brushing something on an empty layer, creating a smart object, or when quitting Camera Raw, or when making selection, it can be any other action i undertake in photoshop. I am really getting sick and tired of this.

 

I bought refurbished 16' M1 Max 64gb Ram, 10 core cpu and 32Gpu about 5 months ago from Apple itself. These things should not be happeing on this laptop. 

 

I have photoshop on 80% of laptops ram, photoshop scratch disc on external 1tb ssd. All images I work on get loaded up from external HD and are as well saved on it. I keep no images I work on on the laptops storage itself.

 

I have called Apple couple of times about this problem but they were unwilling to help, they said its not Laptop its 3d party software and because of that I need to speak to Adobe. Originaly I though that spinning wheel problem was related to an specific action itself (like creating smart object) so I was focusing last couple of months in trying to find fixes in that way, have posted here on forums without being able to find a solution. But now I realise that problem is very random and cant be put on one thing alone.

 

Guys does anyone knows what is happening here, is the laptop problem or can there be a glitch with photoshop somewhere that I am not aware of? 

 

This is my last try to resolve this issue here on forums. If I dont succeed I will call Apple and take it up with them.

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May 22, 2023 May 22, 2023

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Hi @dragantomas a couple of things just from your initial description: 1. I would work on my files on the local HD whenever possible. Store them on the external drive, but do not work directly off it.

2. You have an external SSD as your scratch disk - how is this connected? USB-C, Thunderbolt? Speed kills with externals as scratch disks. If your connection is not fast enough it will drag you down like a boat anchor.

Lastly - Go to Photoshop Help Menu/System Info and copy/paste details in a reply. Post only once as the system takes time to process the large amount of data. That will help give a better idea of your setup.

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Projects: 1.7.0 Loaded at: 88 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms ccx-timeline (Prepared) 3.1.4.0 - from the file "Required Folder" CCX Commenting UXP Webview (Loaded) 27.3.1.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 1912 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms CCX Sharesheet UXP (Prepared) 24.10.0.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Photoshop Cloud Value Dialog (Loaded) 1.0.1.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 89 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Share Panel (Loaded) 1.0.6.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 90 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Content Credentials (Loaded) 0.37.3.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 1673 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms CC Libraries Panel (Prepared) 3.23.28.0 - from the file "/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CEP/extensions/CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_23_28/" CAPTURE: 2.0.41 STOCK: 4.0.2 Neural Filters (Prepared) 1.15.0.95 - from the file "Required Folder" Substance 3D (Prepared) 0.1.6.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Adjustments Panels (Prepared) 1.12.33.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Photoshop UXP Export-As (Prepared) 5.8.23.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Photoshop Facepile (Loaded) 1.2.1.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 1912 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Photoshop In App Messaging (Loaded) 3.6.10.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 1913 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Photoshop Selection Feedback (Prepared) 0.5.0.0 - from the file "Required Folder" Plugins Panel (Prepared) 1.4.3.0 - from the file "Required Folder" IC popup message (Loaded) 1.0.0.0 Loaded at: 1673 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Multilayer Protection (Loaded) 1.0.0.0 Loaded at: 1674 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Discover Panel (Loaded) 3.4.0.32 - from the file "Required Folder" Loaded at: 1914 ms - launch time impact: 0 ms Scan time: 0 ms - entries: 27 Extensions: Libraries 1.0.0 - from the file “/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CEP/extensions/CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_23_28/index.html” com.adobe.stock.panel.licensing-embedded 1.0.0 - from the file “/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CEP/extensions/CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_23_28/extensions/stock-panel-licensing/index.html” com.adobe.capture.extension 2.0.41 - from the file “/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CEP/extensions/CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_23_28/extensions/capture/capture.html” Export As 4.8.15 - from the file “/Applications/Adobe Photoshop 2023/Adobe Photoshop 2023.app/Contents/Resources/CEP/extensions/com.adobe.photoshop.crema/index.html” Export As 4.8.15 - from the file “/Applications/Adobe Photoshop 2023/Adobe Photoshop 2023.app/Contents/Resources/CEP/extensions/com.adobe.photoshop.crema/index.html” com.adobe.cclibraries.manager 1.0.0 - from the file “/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CEP/extensions/CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_23_28/manager.html” Installed TWAIN devices: NONE

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May 22, 2023 May 22, 2023

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Hi @dragantomas your setup looks ok as I would expect from an M1 Max.

So the focus is back on your external drives:

1. Do you still experience the same lag if you work on a file off your local HD and not an external?

2. How are these drives formatted? ExFat or Mac OS Journaled?

3. How are they connected? USB-C adapter or native connection, are all the drives SSD (you mentioned the scratch disk was)?

FYI - your scratch disk is targeted to your local HD not an external so you may want to check your preferences: Scratch volume(s): Macintosh HD, 926.4G, 850.8G

 

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May 22, 2023 May 22, 2023

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@kevin stohlmeyer I dont know how these drives are formated to be honnest with you. I have them for years, I have 2 drives, each 8tb and they are non ssd. I use only one actively when working in Photoshop, and another only turned occasionaly as a back up. Drives are connected by USB-c. But again, when I am using the same files stored and loaded up from Internal HD its making no difference. 

 

(I answered most of your other questions in my previous reply to you)

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Hi @kevin stohlmeyer 

1: I used files today stored on the local HD, it didnt make any difference.

2: External ssd as a scratch disk was connected by a thunderbolt cable. I have scratch disk now back on Internal HD. 

3: Where do I find in preferences Scratch volume(s): Macintosh HD, 926.4G, 850.8G ? I was looking for it but was unable to find it.

4: Also, I have 15'MBP from 2013, 16Ram 1tb ssd. I experience on it non of the problems I described regarding M1 Max laptop. I am also perplexed to see how in terms of speed (starting up photoshop, loadup times for psd and psb files) same or very similar they are.

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You wouldnt happen to be running Photoshop in Rosetta mode would you?

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@kevin stohlmeyer   Yes I run it on Rosetta. But I had the same problems when it was not on Rosetta. 

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Rosetta slows down Photoshop significantly. It bypasses the M1 chip and runs as if you were still on an Intel hence why the loadup time from your 2013 MBP is similar.

Run natively not in Rosetta and it should improve drastically.

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Okay thanks for that tip. I will work away and see in next few weeks how photoshop perfoms generaly. If it keeps being the same I will take it up with Apple again. I have this problem from the time I bought the laptop which is about 5 months now.. But yuo know how it is, you keep convincing yourself during the honeymoon period that things will work themseleves out. But thats over now.

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