I Hate windows 8, 8.1 I don't want my PC to look like a dam cell phone i am considering to use LINUX but many of the reps i have discussed this issue with claims Adobe has no plans on making it available for Linux any suggestions
While I would like PS for Linux, it seems clear to me there is not a large enough market for it. If so many people are willing to pay for it, why don't they just donate to hire programmers to work on GIMP instead?
because even if you poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the GIMP project, it would still take several years to get it to where photoshop already is at. adobe i bet could port this in 6 months to a year.
We have no way of knowing whether it would be cheaper or take longer to update GIMP or port PS.
But PS Linux support has been requested for many years, so I would be surprised if Adobe will ever implement support. Even if the donations didn't get GIMP up to the level of doing everything that PS can, they might make it 'good enough' for your uses. Whereas telling Adobe that you want it for Linux and are willing to pay has no effect.
It is my understanding that GIMP also plans to implement node based editing (effectively the history of edits are recorded rather than the results of edits), which could actually put it ahead of Photoshop.
I have never been a huge supporter of corporations registered under the United States. In this day and time, existing corporations simply don't understand how they are running themselves into the ground. Corporations excluding non-cutthroat ventures such as Cosco's and a very few non-profits like the Rasperberry Pie Foundation and the Gates Foundation will one day be overrun by open source and more foundational-styled business structures.
I am sick and tired of supporting any software with a price tag, screaming "Just give us your money because you have no other choice." Last week I officially dropped Windows because I refuse to pay for the upcoming WaaS named Windows 10. In doing so, I plan to also drop Photoshop for GOOD. Seeing that I am both an avid designer, developer and an up and coming entrepreneur with an eye for perfection similar to Steve Jobs, I cannot stand working with Gimp and refuse to hack at it to my liking, I'd rather build my own image editor from the bottom up.
I am currently paying a subscription for Adobe CC, and seeing there has yet to be a port for Linux, my business priorities might be changing for a few months while I work to terminate my Adobe CC subscription . I will agree one hundred percent with a statement made earlier in this post, if "Adobe would simply build it, customers will follow." The biggest issue with corporations, today is, they get so big they replace innovation with a competitive lane (nay I say, competitive edge). They squeal, no one will use Adobe on Linux, yet Adobe could make a killing promoting Linux seeing Linux is truly the future (ie Android) just as Javascript and HTML5 are the future replacements for the ignorance of Flash and whatever the hell Adobe called their knock-off version of JS, I'm guessing it's ColdFusion or is that the PHP knockoff? Maybe its ActionScript? Anywho, I also refuse to continue virtualizing Windows. Since of course Windows 10 will be a subscription just like Adobe, virtualization would defeat my reasoning for switching to Linux in the long term
I honestly feel so sorry for the future of Adobe and any company intertwined with their corporate affairs. To build an open source editor to challenge Photoshop wouldn't be hard nor a scary site. Simply because I'd base it entirely on Open Source ideologies, if it's liked by the open source community it will grow by the open source community. But, however if it isn't liked, at least I myself, have an editor I enjoy and can continue building beautiful software and my workflow suite will have a price tag labeled, "forever free".
Question about those stats: how do they actually know the Linux desktop share? I know every time I've every installed Linux I've downloaded it once and burnt it to a CD. I'd say from each download I've installed it on around 30 machines on average.
most sites base stats on sales which linux gets very few off (for now). w3schools give a 5.3% USAGE stat which is a site that do tutorials mostly for web development (a market that adobe should be aiming at with most of their products). mac had 3.8% when it adobe announced support for it so the linux market is much larger for adobe products on Linux than most realise. based on that I worked out selling adobe cc to Linux users would provide £495988670.40 per year just by hitting 1% of that market which they would easily hit and exceed if you ask me. I have 3 systems i use, an old desktop running Debian as a server, a custom high performance desktop dual booting ubuntu and windows 8.1 and an acer laptop running win 8.1. if Linux gets adobe support, windows goes completely and I move to Linux for cc. if not, I scrap both when I leave uni and no longer need flash & dreamweaver which are part of the current course. I can get free alternatives for audio graphics and animation and intend to get davinci resolve (not free) to replace premiere and speedgrade.
for now you just have to put up win/mac until adobe realise Linux is the way forward or use alternatives which can replace most of the suite (not all yet though)
If Photoshop was developed on Linux there would be a Linux version. Mac were around 25 years how ever bad OS7 and OS9 were and Photoshop was developed on a Mac so it did not matter how small the mac market was 25 years ago there would be a Mac version Photoshop. Photoshop was ported to Windows because of the big windows market and Microsoft's support.
Linux did not exist then. The more develop Unix OS was around and Apple's OS was abandoned by Steve Jobs in favor of Unix at the same time he abandoned IBM power P.C Unix had been ported to many microprocessors and the were many for version of unix available for Intel's processors. UNIX had been around for twenty years in 1990 it came out of bell labs in 1970. Twenty four years ago in 1991 Linus Torvalds wrote a OS Kernel but that not much there needed to be much more. His kernel is the hart of Linux and these day there are shells and and some device drivers to go along with his kernel. I'm sure you can put together a good Linux system and run it on old hardware where you can find device drivers. Support is a big problem. Adobe support is not the best to begin with Adobe having any business sense would know they don't want to support a OS that also does not have the best support and manufactures are not creating Linux device drivers for their products. You may want to look into the path Google is taking Photoshop streaming. A network solution Adobe brings “streaming” Photoshop to Chrome OS | Ars Technica
Adobe would be foolish to port Photoshop to Linux till there are well established manufacturers fabricating and supporting Linux systems. Do you know any company that are willing to make public domain systems. Where other will copy and under sell them. I'm sure there are custom houses that will put together a good linux system for you. It take many years to develop a stable OS and an army of programmers to keep it going. Most computer users are just that they are users, They need to get their work done, Their work is not maintaining operating systems and and building workstations and PC. They need systems where they can go to Best Buy, Wal-Mart, BJS, Staple and Amazon to buy a replacement machine. I find many Linux books on Amazon, Many Mac and Windows Workstations and laptops even windows tablets.
Honestly I hate the thought of "streaming" or even the "online" services - especially for creative content. The idea of everything I create being streamed to someone else is absurd, it's be my biggest hang-up in deciding whether or not I want to pay for a personal CC license - I wouldn't even consider one of the Google streaming things as a possibility.
IMO my $10 a month subscription I pay cost me less for Photoshop then I had been paying for Photoshop and all of its upgrades over the twenty years I've been a user.
I have nothing of real value that I make money with in Photoshop. Still I want my personal stuff in my possession not in some public cloud. I do not use the cloud part for my stuff. I do not even need Photoshop but its a nice hobby I enjoy.
A wimpy Chrome machine is not for me. A linux machine is also not for me. I'm sure I could hack the Linux world I have build and repaired many machines and installed and worked on many Operating system including old Mainframe system that could not fit in my home and my home could not power. I prefer retirement.....
CS6 works perfectly in Wine 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 14.04. Anyway it would be about time for Adobe to support Linux...only think of .NET or Valve etc. To not support will be a bad PR over the next years.
@ggxdg Never had problems with X86. If it wouldn't be rock solid, I wouldn't use it for years. And I expect, for the remaining time until Wayland gets used, zero crashes while using Ubuntu daily.
JJMack you lose a lot of customers who are professional developers. 90% of developers android, web, java and phyton are Linux users. At the moment you are forcing them to create hacks in order to work.
I have no customers to lose. At 74 I do not have much force left. While 90% of developers may use Linux they represent a very small fraction of computer users. All computer users use the Internet. All you need to do to see how the computer market stacks up is look at web statistics.
In 203 Linux users represented 2.2% of the market Today that has grown to 5.5%. What percent of Linux users are developers? Linux devloper also love to hack....
I have no customers to lose. At 74 I do not have much force left. While 90% of developers may use Linux they represent a very small fraction of computer users. All computer users use the Internet. All you need to do to see how the computer market stacks up is look at web statistics.
In 203 Linux users represented 2.2% of the market Today that has grown to 5.5%. What percent of Linux users are developers? Linux devloper also love to hack....
You're reading the numbers wrong in regards to Linux vs. Windows and the number of POTENTIAL users/subscribers to Adobe CC.
[UPDATE (June 2015) – Adobe just updated the total number of subscribers to over 4.6 million!
You forget that Google Chrome (education mostly) as well as Android are considered "Linux" devices.
The entire Internet including web services and server infrastructure is +97% Linux/UNIX.
Animation, CGI, and film editing pipelines, along with specialty rendering farms are almost all Linux based.
Adobe itself uses UNIX-based machines (Apple) to develop and to demo almost all of their products and future technologies.
You're using statistics and charts that have absolutely no baring whether Adobe should... or whether it would be a good financial decision to develop a Linux version. In fact you are behind the times because Adobe themselves are developing for iOS, OSX... and Android first due to their respective cohesive underpinnings and frameworks. A number of advanced technologies that Adobe is integrating into it's products, such as web standard HTML5/CSS3 and Open GL/CL to name just a couple, are all Linux/UNIX/Apache/Google/Apple initiatives.
Adobe makes tools for creatives in print, film and photography... and most important of all... for emerging and ever growing mobile web design and app development. Both of those markets are using UNIX/Linux based devices for development... and also have the vast majority of consumers worldwide for a multitude of devices from TVs, tablets, phones, to notebook/desktop systems.
Administrative vs. creative/development/server/web-services computers is what needs to be considered by Adobe. Not total market-share of all computers. That's just pumping up Microsoft's chest with air rather than muscle... which they do not have in this game any longer like they used to.
Please show me the numbers I should be using. How much serious development is being done on mobile devices? How much of Adobe revenue is from mobile apps. Adobe has quite a few mobile apps for IOS and Android devices none of which I would call Linux devices.
Yes I agree that all large software development corporation use Unix in some way or an other its great for hacking code and ideas. And I also agree that Linux is much like Unix. Can you tell me way these large software developing companies do not develop and market Unix and Linux application. You seem to find all of them including Adobe stupid for you seem to feel that they are missing the boat the golden opportunity.
I have no idea of why your even addressing me. I give what I develop away for free I only develop what I want. These days I only use Windows and Photoshop they are my toys. I do have an old iPod4 great mp3 player and has a small 3:2 hires display for pocked pictures. I also have an Microsoft Surface Pro 3 that also has a 3:2 display much bigger its 12" and has better speakers then the iPod4. I prefer Windows 10. IOS is not my cup of tea.
Wow! I must hand it to you for being honest about:
a) not knowing why I'm replying to you, even though I quoted your post(?!)
b) not being able to follow a hyperlink to where and which numbers I was referring to(?!)
c) not being able to comprehend that I complimented Adobe, since they are NOT missing the boat and are developing more apps for Linux/UNIX/mobile OSes than they are for traditional desktops;
...and finally
d) not having any ***"Skin in the Game" to be able to objectively or subjectively give an opinion on this matter. So why did you?
*** "Skin in the game" is an English saying that originally meant whether you had any money bets on a horse race or sporting event. In this case since you do not care, you have no desire to ever use the products, and this does not effect YOU in the least, you have nothing to gain or to lose by weighing in with your opinion. You stated that and made it clear, so why even write a comment?
Apparently that of adobe has no intention to develop in other except that which until now have. Let's wait a few more years when you enter steamOS and cloud will be 90% of the ordinary consumer PCs. They from microsoft begin to integrate with linux / unix, but that is another matter.
Just to explain to 76 year old man: I am a linux user, develop different applications for web, etc. This can not be done under the operating system are listed. I say that Linux holds a sizable share of consumers who have a true professional. I do not see what can generally be my grandmother with your product.
When you say it will not do you not done that no market share, just say that you invistirat money and resources in the development in this direction.I would not comment on the argument that if the message is legitimate. Just when you say something is accurate. If statistics can draw you out and such that 95% of Linux users.
I had no problem following your links. Google telling their employee not to use windows to me is like Apple telling their employees to use Mac OS not Windows on their Mac. I know some mac users that run both OS.
The numbers in you link. When it come to desktops and laptops where most development is done has Linux with even lower numbers then the one I showed, Your link does show that Unix Like is a big in the server market 68.5% and over half of those are Linux, So the Linux 35% share beats out Windows 32% share in the server market..
It also shows Mobile devices run Phone OS where IOS and Android dominate. Windows phone only has something like a 2.6% share. Microsoft is trying to change that with Windows 10 with their dream of universal apps and tools for porting IOS and Android apps code to Microsoft universals dream.
Linux is also Big in the super computer area....
The real problem with current mobile devices is they simply do not have the compute power to run application suits like Adobe Creative cloud with good performance. Hybrids like Microsoft Surface pro 3 may be able to run some Applications like Photoshop with usable performance Other Applications Like Premier and After Effects I would not expect very good performance.
I will admit I did not know what to make of this in you l link These figures have a large margin of error for a variety of reasons
The following information on web clients is obtained from the user agent information supplied to web servers by web browsers. These figures have a large margin of error for a variety of reasons. For a discussion on the shortcomings see usage share of web browsers.
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Google telling their employee not to use windows to me is like Apple telling their employees to use Mac OS not Windows on their Mac.
Not the same thing in the least because Google is a software developer first and platform agnostic. They've chosen to develop using Linux/UNIX standards first and foremost because of their web services, and on Apple OSX because it's the first BSD-based operating system to receive UNIX 3 Certification (2007 Leopard)
I know some mac users that run both OS.
Well now you "know of" one more, since I do as well daily, specifically for our RIPs and large-format printer software.
The numbers in you link. When it come to desktops and laptops where most development is done has Linux with even lower numbers then the one I showed,
Why would that surprise you? If ~98% of desktops in use at the moment are either Windows or OSX, why would you think that Linux would have an outsized number of developers? But once again, you're throwing all desktop/laptop users and usage into one big bucket and stirring. This is not the subject here.
Banks, retail, health care... wait.... darn near every single business on the planet runs on Windows. Except were discussing software development and tools that NONE of those businesses use in large licensed scenarios other than maybe in media. While there are scattered licenses and usage in for example medical imaging, or engineering... in general without looking up numbers I think I'm safe in saying that 90% of Windows-based businesses are and never will be Adobe CC subscribers.
Your link does show that Unix Like is a big in the server market 68.5% and over half of those are Linux, So the Linux 35% share beats out Windows 32% share in the server market..
In the link I sent you under "Public Servers on the Internet" they lump all public accessible servers including web, mail and DNS together in one statistic. "Public" does not mean as in free for anyone to log into, it just means that it has a web-facing address. Or else mail servers, which everyone needs to log into, would not be included. Most large businesses around the world are known to use Windows Exchange and other internal Windows services and servers accessible by their employees with proper login credentials over the internet. Once again, the statistic is one big barrel of mixed beans that have no baring on this discussion whether a Linux version of Adobe CC should be developed. Microsoft Enterprise Service customers are not Adobe's target demographic.
t also shows Mobile devices run Phone OS where IOS and Android dominate. Windows phone only has something like a 2.6% share. Microsoft is trying to change that with Windows 10 with their dream of universal apps and tools for porting IOS and Android apps code to Microsoft universals dream.
"With Windows 10"? They've been attempting a One-System-Fits-All approach for longer than a decade. Their tablets since 2001 have attempted this and have failed. The NT kernel has too much legacy baggage and does not scale well to make this work, but they are too scared to ditch it.... simple as that. So instead they wait for Moore's Law and miniaturization to catch up to their ambitions. Gutless strategy as far as I'm concerned. Also financially expensive, since they've lost billions on almost every single mobile initiative they've ever attempted.
The real problem with current mobile devices is they simply do not have the compute power to run application suits like Adobe Creative cloud with good performance. Hybrids like Microsoft Surface pro 3 may be able to run some Applications like Photoshop with usable performance Other Applications Like Premier and After Effects I would not expect very good performance.
See what I wrote above: that is Microsoft's problem... waiting for Moore's Law to take effect. However, did you know that Office for iOS is a huge success? Is smooth and powerful and came out FIRST before Microsoft's Surface? Why do you think that is? Naturally one reason is the money and the huge user base of iOS, but also telling is that the underlying system is far more efficient allowing for more powerful and lightweight apps than if developed for Windows (NT kernel) based systems.
I will admit I did not know what to make of this in you l linkThese figures have a large margin of error for a variety of reasons
The largest margin of error is lumping everything together. Even Linux/UNIX or especially Android can not be fairly lumped together to make a point, I admit that.
So we're back full circle: statistics, charts, or graphs of anything computer related, have NOTHING to do with whether Adobe should develop a Linux version of Adobe CC. While Linux is not BSD/UNIX, it mimics it enough to be a small effort on the part of a huge software company such as Adobe to port it from their working frameworks for Apple devices, both OSX and iOS. Also their Android efforts and close association with Google could make a port to Linux a "small project" rather than a major undertaking (in relative terms).
Imagine for a minute, a version of Adobe CC, that within Creative Cloud Manager, you could choose to download a compiled stand-alone package including the OS (FreeBSD or a customized Linux distro) and all necessary drivers for your computer pulled at compile time, that you would then be able to either boot from in a VM... or burn to SD/USB3 to run stand-alone as a boot-drive. No fluff, no baggage, no legacy, no unnecessary software. Pure Adobe CC+OS. Also don't forget, you would already have a browser built in (Google based on Webkit) due to Brackets and Dreamweaver, so internet communications and all of your browser-based apps and services would immediately also be available. Apache, MySQL, Python, PHP and other assorted web and server technologies all baked in.... something that's been available for literally ages.
I bet that package would be a screamer speed-wise... and possibly the preferred way of running Adobe's software no matter what OS or device you're using now. Regardless, it's a far more innovative... possibly even game-changing... than waiting for Microsoft and Moore's Law to get up to speed.
One last thing occurred to me regarding "Linux developer statistics". While you wouldn't necessarily consider web developers the same as Linux developers, they most definitely are developing on Linux/BSD principles, standards and platforms because the vast majority are programming for Apache.
This is a very silly discussion, which shows the competence of managers in Adobe. I do not say that Linux is the most used os. I say the majority of Linux users is a specialists who are willing to pay for the your stupid Photoshop. But since we do not have this opportunity, just hacking this software.
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