P: Support for native full-screen mode on macOS

Report · Jul 21, 2011

I must say that full screen apps is a wonderful idea. I can start in such a way some of the apple apps (safari, imail, numbers) - I like switching between them. It will be desirable to enable this option for Ligtroom & Photoshop (both CS and Elements) to behave in similar way under new Mission Control stuff...

Report · Jan 20, 2015

How do I learn to use a photochop?????????????????????????

Report · Jan 20, 2015

Best way is to get familiar with all of the tools and hotkeys first, then practicing making stuff that you want day after day. You'll learn a lot faster when you're creating what you're interested in.

For extravagant methods and tutorials/ideas, there are tons of websites out there too with great communities. Tuts+ is a great one to start at.

Report · Jan 20, 2015

InDesign and Illustrator do not have Window>Application Frame enabled by default like Photoshop.

Report · Jan 20, 2015

Beautiful, that's actually quite helpful, many thanks. We still do need full screen functionality though, it would still drastically improve workflow.

Report · Jan 20, 2015

Here's a couple more images to portray how productivity can improve with this functionality:

This is an image of a typical graphic designer's Adobe workflow, juggling invoices/documents, designing logos in Illustrator, adapting them to a business card in InDesign, incorporating it into a web design on Photoshop, and any other software they might need, which includes photography, video editing and programming (yes, most graphic designers can do this nowadays- in fact, it's becoming an industry standard!).

Now this is my theoretical visualization, achieved by dragging individual icons into separate desktops. While this achieves a similar effect, the practicality of it isn't the same. Regardless, these can be dragged around in Mission Control, and if you had two+ monitors, you could split these as you needed to create unique workflows.

It's a lot cleaner, it's a lot more efficient, and no functionality is lost. Users can still use Photoshop's full screen mode within the application, and users can switch between windows using any method they like. In fact, it would only make this task easier as users can reorder the positions of the windows for quicker access. As I said, if Adobe wants to make a beta release of this, I'd be more than happy to make a proper video to showcase just how helpful it can be. I'm not sure about when Lion first launched the full screen concept, but we're now three OS X updates ahead in Yosemite, with Adobe even shipping CC downloads with 2 installs (CC and CC 2014). What about keeping CC standard and give CC 2014 the full screen boost? What about a toggle in the preferences panel? Any sort of tiny step towards what many users are suggesting?

Report · Jan 27, 2015

Guess the potential is binned then. Would have at least liked to have seen a beta build of this to test if it's really worse for customers or not.

Report · Jan 27, 2015

Yeah, Adobe seems intent on creating their own platform atop other OSs. They clearly aren't interested in adopting the UI of the platforms they develop for because they seem to have their own design language and their own rules. Ideally they want users to use only Adobe apps. I mean look at Adobe Bridge!! They tried to replace Finder for christ's sake! Remind me to cancel my Adobe CC subscription.

In case you interpret that post as me just flaming, I'm not giving up on Adobe because of this one issue, rather because of their repeated refusal to work with Windows/Mac, instead trying to bulldoze over Microsoft and Apple's HIGs while piggybacking off of their technologies. I almost wonder if they try to make their apps with ugly and inscrutable UI because they want to keep the "Learn to use Adobe apps" economy alive.

Report · Jan 27, 2015

Another day, another "wtf" moment with Adobe apps and OS X full screen. Really, does no one at Adobe use OS X and full screen apps??? Sheesh.

Don't get me wrong, I love Adobe apps. But this lack of a feature, one that is found in even the most basic of apps, really drives my up a wall.

Adobe apps mess with my OS X-centric productivity workflow(s)!

Report · Jan 27, 2015

While it is an impressive mockup I don't think the fact that they haven't responded yet means it's binned. I'm also not sure they would push out a separate beta for this kind of thing. I'd just encourage people you know to chime in. I don't think Adobe has taken the time to rethink this, but if there is enough noise they just might...

Report · Jan 27, 2015

No, Bridge is not even remotely a Finder replacement. And the rest of your logic is similarly off base.

Report · Jan 27, 2015

Funny, I thought it was Adobe's way to circumvent the Finder, too. Bridge had/has larger previews; that is the only think I thought was better about it.

Report · Jan 28, 2015

Chris Cox, I'll defer to you on that. The other important piece of the puzzle is I'm not a "pro" so it is hard to justify paying for Adobe apps when I don't make money from using them.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

It's unfortunate because the incorporation would only take a few lines of code. Apple makes it really easy for developers to adapt new features to their existing code, and since Photoshop CC does frequent updates with new features being added, I don't see why they can't include it for at least either CC or CC 2014. It would only benefit them to gauge how well it is received overall.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Bridge had many other uses, especially as a photographer and graphic designer. However, it was yet another Adobe application running resources from my computer so I developed a workflow around Finder that has become almost just as quick in Yosemite.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Adobe is notoriously tied to its users's wants. There is a reason the word "workflow" is thrown around so heavily here. My guess is the team is swamped with work on new features and is really only focused on identifying the top ten requests. If this becomes one of the top requests; they will implement it; the problem is just that most normal people don't make a conscious distinguishment between features that are system standards and those that are not. When I tell most people that Photoshop doesn't have a standard full screen mode they give me a puzzled look and show me how to use the existing full screen mode. Granted, pro users aren't normal, but a good chunk of that user base tends to only use Adobe apps for work and thus never notice they work different than most apps. From the development side of things, it would be weird if, say, Photoshop had support for OSX full screen and Illustrator did not. Therefore they would have to have every team work together to push out updates simultaneously that incorporate this function in a consistent manner. Since there are other features wanted by many more people OSX full screen is probably ignored due to cost/benefit analysis. Still I think if we make sure these complaints never die completely, the feature will eventually bubble up to the top of the priorities list.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

That normal users not noticing might have been true before, but with Yosemight the default behaviors of OSX was changed. I'd imagine more normal users would notice the lack of a full-screen feature now too.

Yosemite made the default behavior of the green button toggle full-screen, instead of the old maximize behavior. Before the full-screen was a bonus feature not present in all apps, now with Yosemite it's the default.

Most apps have the new full-screen feature by now but Photoshop and Illustrator does not, which makes them stand out.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Right, I suspected that would be a great impetus for a change here and posted to this thread a few months ago saying as much. (Accidentally, that post is under a different account, but same name) However the reason it will take awhile for people to start associating the green button with full screen is twofold. First, most people I know have yet to upgrade to Yosemite, and have shown little to no interest in doing so. Second, existing Mac users have almost been trained not to use the green button because it was so convoluted and unpredictable. The old green button is not actually a "maximize" button as many users think, but rather a "zoom" button that toggles between the window state set by the user, and the standard window state set by the developer. However, because the standard state can be smaller than the user state the green button can in some cases actually cause the window to shrink, which is confusing even if you know the button is called "Zoom". Many developers never bothered to set a standard size (supposed to be the ideal size for the window's contents) and as such the window in those apps simply defaults to maximizing.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Please read the previous official responses. This has already been answered, in detail.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

That was 3 years ago. The situation has changed.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

No, the situation really hasn't changed - all the facts remain the same.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Except now the green button has become the full screen button on Yosemite. More people will, in time, start to wonder why Adobe apps don't use this feature. Also, the original response assumes that OSX full screen will have to "replace" the existing full screen mode, which I don't think is necessarily the case.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

I think Adobe's response about only the very top features will be addressed is a bit of bunk. I think the real rule at Adobe is that their Mac and PC versions must be exactly the same, not matter how loudly their users scream. Some bull-headed people at Adobe refuse to even consider anything that violates this golden rule.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

Yeah, I considered that, although ultimately decided against mentioning it because I felt I would run the risk of being called cynical. Either way, Adobe's issue here is being too platform agnostic. There is a reason people never assosciated Java apps with quality, and Adobe apps sometimes feel a lot like Java apps, minus the portability.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

The green button is still a maximize button, and still does what it should.

Report · Jan 29, 2015

The green button was never a maximize button (http://www.macyourself.com/2011/02/06...) and in Yosemite it now is the full screen button in apps that support it.

P: Support for native full-screen mode on macOS

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