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I suggest sRGB is used in PSE 2022 when choosing Optimise for Printing because most people don't have calibrated Adobe RGB monitors. It reduces the possibility of inconsistant colors between monitor and prints.
By @Deleted User
Indeed, few Elements users have a hardware calibration tool, but you don't need one or a wide gamut monitor to take advantage of a wider color mode like aRGB.
I see that on the mac side as well.
I guess someone from adobe will have to say whether it's a bug or not, but in the meantime it's still better to use camera raw files than jpeg/tiff since for the most part camera raw files contain far more pixel info that camera raw can pull from highlights/shadows than the equivalent jpeg/tiff from the camera.
By @Jeff Arola
Hi Jeff,
Whether the lack of the ability to choose aRGB for raw files in the newer PSE ACR plugins is a deliberate choice or a bug, at least, the contextual help in the editor for the color preferences should be updated to reflect the new behavior. Clearly, you can only use sRGB with raw now. So, don't waste money in an advanced wide gamut display. An hardware calibration probe will still be useful.
My request would be to use nearly the same dialog as the one in the full ACR version for the 'Save and convert' icon on the top right of the top bar (down pointing arrow left of the cogwheel).
1 - Advanced users would appreciate the restored aRGB mode,
2 - Basic users would welcome the ability to 'Save as jpeg'
3 - The change does not look very hard to implement, and still keeps the PSE and PS ACR versions clearly different as required for the marketing strategy.
After checking again, I have two solutions:
- using an older PSE version (just tested on PSE12)
- Using my 'Photographer's plan' with Bridge and ACR, even if I have not PS nor LR installed. I set my preferences for the 'Save and convert' dialog to jpeg and aRGB when needed.
Printing ARGB color space with PSE 2022. It showa profile selected in PSE Image Color Profile.
Printing options in PSE 2022 are the same available in my full version of Photoshop CS 5.
By @Deleted User
Hi @Deleted User
Read my post carefully. What is specific to the Elements ACR plugin is that it does not offer a menu or an option to choose a color mode for the resulting conversion. In older versions, that shortcoming was managed from the options in the pixel editor, menu. When you click 'Open' in the ACR dialog, the ACR plugin reads the preference in your menu 'image >> color settings'. If you choose 'Always optimize for print', in older versions the conversions produces an aRGB mode.
In recent versions, you only get the sRGB mode.
Since converting from sRGB to aRGB within the pixel editor does not provide any quality advantage, the fact that the options in Elements are the same than in the Photoshop pixel editor don't help at all.
Still no change in the recent updates and no answer from Adobe. Is it a bug or a deliberate choice?
A possible explanation could be that to allow the workaround to update the ACR Elements plugin from the Photoshop full version, it was necessary to skip that reading of the preference option.
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/camera-raw-update-not-available.html
I fully understand the problem now, and after six and half hours of chatting with Adobe the matter is being reported to Element 2022 engineers and I will possibly get an email back within 24 hrs as to whether this issue is to be corrected or not.
By @Deleted User
Hi @Deleted User
Many thanks for your help in this matter.
When opening a RAW file in Elements 2022's ACR 14 the Demosaiced file is opened in Elements as a DNG file. Before Color Space is 'burnt' into TIFF export the DNG file can be converted from Elemens' sRGB default Color Space to Adobe RGB Color Space.
Open History Window in Elements and you will see ACR 14 has exported a DNG file after ACR 14 has Demosaiced a RAW file
By @Deleted User
Unfortunately, converting from sRGB to aRGB (which you can do in the pixel editor afterward) does NOT add the missing colors in the small sRGB color space. It's too late.
Anyway, you would have to re-process each individual file instead of opening a whole batch after choosing your preference in PSE.
I don't think that there is an internal conversion from raw to DNG before 'opening' in the editor and anyway I have always thought that true proprietary raws converted to DNG don't have an assigned color space. I thought that had to take place in the conversion to the 'virtual' tif format opened in the editor.
ACR 9/Elements 14 sRGB ACR 14/Elements 2022 sRGB
ACR 9/Elements 14 aRGB (Optimised for Printing) ACR 14/Elements 2022 (converted within Elements/ Image/Convert Color Profile)
I only shoot Olympus RAW which has file extension .orf. Opening an ORF file in Elements 14 or 2022, after ACR, the ORF file exension shows in the title bar and in the history stack. It is not till I save the image as a TIFF file does the file extension change in the title bar.
The RGB color numbers for the above aRGB Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Magenta, and Cyan color patches are:
ACR 9/Elements 14
Red Green Blue Yellow Magenta Cyan
R 29 101 153 223 172 48
G 59 148 48 189 76 135
B 142 78 48 44 150 171
ACR 14/Elements 2022 aRGB (converted within Elements/ Image/Convert Color Profile)
Red Green Blue Yellow Magenta Cyan
R 35 101 153 223 172 76
G 59 148 48 189 76 135
B 142 78 48 46 150 171
As can be seen with these numbers, Elements 2022 is not converting sRGB to aRGB, Elements 2022 is converting RAW data to aRGB. (the difference in R numbers in the Red and Cyan color patches reflects the different algorythms used by ACR 9 and 14.
This is only a work around until Adobe fixes the bug.
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