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Photoshop Elements 2020 Strips People Tags from Edited Images

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This bug has been present since Photoshop Elements 14 and it's really annoying. 

 

History: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop-elements-14-strips-people-tags-from...

 

How to reproduce

  1. Import an image, test.jpg, into the Organizer
  2. Apply a People tag (T1), a Places tag (T2) and an Events tag (T3) to the image
  3. Edit the image with the PSE Editor and save into a Version Set as test_edited-1.jpg
  4. The edited file is now missing the People tag (T1). The orginal file still has the T1 tag. The Events and and Places tags are still attached to both files in the version set.Apply a People tag (T1), a Places tag (T2) and an Events tag (T3) to the image

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Photoshop Elements 2020 Strips People Tags from Edited Images

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This bug has been present since Photoshop Elements 14 and it's really annoying. 

 

History: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop-elements-14-strips-people-tags-from...

 

How to reproduce

  1. Import an image, test.jpg, into the Organizer
  2. Apply a People tag (T1), a Places tag (T2) and an Events tag (T3) to the image
  3. Edit the image with the PSE Editor and save into a Version Set as test_edited-1.jpg
  4. The edited file is now missing the People tag (T1). The orginal file still has the T1 tag. The Events and and Places tags are still attached to both files in the version set.Apply a People tag (T1), a Places tag (T2) and an Events tag (T3) to the image

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I'm guessing that the reason a People tag is not applied to a version set copy is that you may have cut the person out of the picture while editing it.  Or cropping the photo may move the location of the face in the image.  So, the face recognition will not be accurately located.  Editing the photo does not change the Event or the Place.  So, it's probably a feature not a bug. 

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This isn't related to face recognition (which I don't use). I'm simply applying tags (by dragging) to images. It's definitely a bug - there's no reason why editing should strip people tags

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"This isn't related to face recognition (which I don't use). I'm simply applying tags (by dragging) to images. It's definitely a bug - there's no reason why editing should strip people tags".

 

I can see why that the management of face recognition is at the root of the issue. Even if you don't use it, it requires additional management of dedicated stacks and additional resources compared to the management of standard stacks/version sets. That stack management may contradict the standard one or at least require much more work to get that property inherited in a version set. So, I don't see it as a bug, only as a 'feature'; maybe it's 'by poor design', maybe it's on account of a logical impossibility.

 

However, what I don't understand is why you don't use the old custom hierarchy of persons, like in the old versions before PSE11. I am perfectly happy and I can have full flexibility in managing my people tags (I manage people, not faces) and their hierarchies. No issues at all with version sets and stacks.

Since PSE14 you did not get any answer by Adobe, except perhaps to go to Lightroom... Expecting a change in PSE2020 seems irreealistic.

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I am using the old custom hierarchy of people tags exactly as I think you're suggesting as are the other people in the original thread on the old Adobe forum. 

 

As to getting the bug fixed, it seems reasonable to me that Adobe fixes a bug that's been in the product for ~5 years given that this is paid-for software. 

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I am using the old custom hierarchy of people tags exactly as I think you're suggesting as are the other people in the original thread on the old Adobe forum. 

I always recover the people tags in my conventional 'My People' tag hierarchy.in the version sets. I don't even need to write metadata to files.

Just tested in PSE2019.

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Ah, I think I know what you mean: you're implementing people tags in the "keywords" tag hierarchy. That should work. There's something clearly special/broken in the People tags which I'm using

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Yes, I am using the normal keyword hierarchy. We all have different requirements to manage our assets. I am very picky to tag persons with any tag that can help me retrieve them by name, first name, married name, nickname or even family branches. I also manage family history and genealogy. I have learned to beware of face recognition... even by older people! I consider that face recognition may be useful when the job is to tag a relatively big catalog, and that is not my case, I have kept and enhanced my own hierachies from the first versions (PSE2). I don't consider than using both face recognition and normal keywords is necessarily redundant. If you manage seriously those standard keywords for the minority of people you really care about, that makes sense.

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So, would it be a bug if I edit a file with several tagged people in it, crop out one of the people, save the file in a version set, and the edited file still has a tag for the person who is not in the photo?  What do you think Adobe should do in that situation?  Recognize whose face is no longer in the photo and delete the tag?  How about an edited file with a face added to a group photo from a different tagged photo?  Should the added person's tag be automatically included in the version set?

 

I haven't tested this yet, but I suspect that in your situation the version set image goes through a new face recognition analysis as a newly imported photo does, and the opportunity to add the tag through face recognition will be found.  If this is not the case, then I would certainly support a request to add that as a feature. 

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It's certainly possible to think of a scenario that you outline in your first paragraph where PSE could do something reasonably clever when a face is added or removed from a photo but in my case there's no face recognition involved (I've explicitly disabled it). And *any* edit will result in the People tags being stripped from the image. That's not reasonable behavior. Also, if PSE is going to start removing user-applied tags from photos it ought not to do it silently. This seems like a bug to me.

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