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Why does PSE2018 organizer change RAW time if GPS data present?

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I have imported some RAW (Nikon NEF) pictures taken in France (GMT +1) into the organizer. The camera clock was set to the correct local time. The pictures have had GPS data (including a timestamp which is set to UTC/GMT) added by GeoSetter. I live in the UK, my computer clock is set to GMT.

When displayed in the organizer the pictures show the wrong time (1 hour early, i.e.GMT). The Information display shows Date Time Digitized as the correct local time, but Date Time and Date Time Original as GMT. However the EXIF information (using IrfanView) shows all 3 timestamps showing the correct local time. If the picture is edited and saved as a JPG, the EXIF times are all set to the correct local time in the JPG.

If I import the same picture without GPS information the times are correctly displayed as local time in all cases.

Can anyone explain why this happens, and how to avoid it (or, if it's a bug, how to report it)? I've done some searching but not found any reference to this (particularly the GPS data making a difference) - please point me in the right direction if I've missed something.

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Correct answer by MichelBParis | Adobe Community Professional

https://forums.adobe.com/people/arshla+jindal  wrote

Request you to please do the following and check if it corrects the time of files:

Select these images for which there is time mismatch.

Right click on the selection and select Update thumbnail for selected items.

It should correct the time of files then.

Thanks

I won't try to understand (or explain ) this exif date/time issue...

I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

To live happily, I suggest:

- to be careful using external GPS tools. I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

- to test if you have problem with your own smartphone with DST

- Since the issues are related to the many and non-standard ways dates are stored, check when needed.

- The organizer has the tool to batch correct the date_taken for DST change: Right click on selected files and look at the various options to change date.

- Testing the suggestion by Arshla Jindal: since the 'Update thumbnail' not only recreates the thumbnail but updates the caption and possibly other exif fields in the file itself, it may recover the right time.

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Why does PSE2018 organizer change RAW time if GPS data present?

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I have imported some RAW (Nikon NEF) pictures taken in France (GMT +1) into the organizer. The camera clock was set to the correct local time. The pictures have had GPS data (including a timestamp which is set to UTC/GMT) added by GeoSetter. I live in the UK, my computer clock is set to GMT.

When displayed in the organizer the pictures show the wrong time (1 hour early, i.e.GMT). The Information display shows Date Time Digitized as the correct local time, but Date Time and Date Time Original as GMT. However the EXIF information (using IrfanView) shows all 3 timestamps showing the correct local time. If the picture is edited and saved as a JPG, the EXIF times are all set to the correct local time in the JPG.

If I import the same picture without GPS information the times are correctly displayed as local time in all cases.

Can anyone explain why this happens, and how to avoid it (or, if it's a bug, how to report it)? I've done some searching but not found any reference to this (particularly the GPS data making a difference) - please point me in the right direction if I've missed something.

Thanks

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Correct answer by MichelBParis | Adobe Community Professional

https://forums.adobe.com/people/arshla+jindal  wrote

Request you to please do the following and check if it corrects the time of files:

Select these images for which there is time mismatch.

Right click on the selection and select Update thumbnail for selected items.

It should correct the time of files then.

Thanks

I won't try to understand (or explain ) this exif date/time issue...

I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

To live happily, I suggest:

- to be careful using external GPS tools. I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

- to test if you have problem with your own smartphone with DST

- Since the issues are related to the many and non-standard ways dates are stored, check when needed.

- The organizer has the tool to batch correct the date_taken for DST change: Right click on selected files and look at the various options to change date.

- Testing the suggestion by Arshla Jindal: since the 'Update thumbnail' not only recreates the thumbnail but updates the caption and possibly other exif fields in the file itself, it may recover the right time.

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By coincidence I just posted almost an identical message. The difference for me was DST time shift and for you Time Zone shift.

In my case I pretty much narrowed it down to DST time being re written if the picture time and organizer/editor time occur at various seasons. One during DST (daylight savings time) and one outside DST (Late March to late November). I would bet that something similar is happening if picture taking vs editing occurs in different time zones. Normally the software would not know where the photo was taken, but with your GPS it does. I have also observed that the organizer and editor interpret the JPG data quite differently, and another user was able to prove that EXIF data interpretation is one of the differences. Also See the posts on how some organizer (but not in editor) photos will not display correctly, or display with a narrow colored line through them.

See my post on how I was able to test my DST theory. A photo displaying a given time in Organizer details panel, will display a one hour  different time when opened in Editor - File - Info. If it is saved in editor, then the new organizer info time will shift by an hour as well.

If it is related to how EXIF data is interpreted and affects the display, then that problem apparently has been around for a long time with no solution in sight.

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My main problem is the time shown in Organizer without having been edited, although I'll keep an eye open for the problem you're describing when I edit my shots when the clocks have changed. I'm thinking that the problem is to do with the way Geosetter formats the dates it updates rather than PSE - see my reply to Michael.

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Request you to please do the following and check if it corrects the time of files:

Select these images for which there is time mismatch.

Right click on the selection and select Update thumbnail for selected items.

It should correct the time of files then.

Thanks

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/arshla+jindal  wrote

Request you to please do the following and check if it corrects the time of files:

Select these images for which there is time mismatch.

Right click on the selection and select Update thumbnail for selected items.

It should correct the time of files then.

Thanks

I won't try to understand (or explain ) this exif date/time issue...

I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

To live happily, I suggest:

- to be careful using external GPS tools. I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

- to test if you have problem with your own smartphone with DST

- Since the issues are related to the many and non-standard ways dates are stored, check when needed.

- The organizer has the tool to batch correct the date_taken for DST change: Right click on selected files and look at the various options to change date.

- Testing the suggestion by Arshla Jindal: since the 'Update thumbnail' not only recreates the thumbnail but updates the caption and possibly other exif fields in the file itself, it may recover the right time.

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MichelBParis  wrote

To live happily, I suggest:

- to be careful using external GPS tools. I have never met DST issues with photos from smartphones (my cameras have no GPS)

I think this is the best answer. Having looked more closely at the files after GeoSetter has added the GPS data I notice that some fields (like Date/Time Digitized) have been changed to include the time zone (i.e. ...10:53:51 +01:00 rather than the original ...10:53:51). So I need to do some experimenting to prevent GeoSetter doing this and see if that resolves the problem.

For now I'm reverting to the original, pre-GeoSetter pictures and living without the GPS information.

Thanks to all.

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Unfortunately updating the thumbnails had no effect. The Date/Time original is still one hour out from Date Time Digitized.

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I have experienced exactly the same, and found this discussion when searching for solution.

Through a process of experimenting with different scenarios, I reached the conclusion the PSE2018 populates the "Date Time" and "Date Time Original" tags from the EXIF Date/Time Stamp, and note that the EXIF standard does not support timezones, so PSE2018 uses the system settings from your computer, which in our case is based on the GMT / BST.  The XMP information for pictures within the PSE2018 catalogue will be made up of the "local" Date/Time where the pictures was taken, but with the corresponding GMT / BST time difference.  The "Data Time Digitized" Date/Time Stamp derives from the Date/Time Stamp added by Geosetter which includes the correct timezone, hence the mismatch.

 

The solution I found to avoid the mismatch between the dates within PSE2018 is to close PSE2018 (if it is open) change the system settings of your computer to match the region where the pictures were taken (if not in the UK), reopen PSE2018, and then import the pictures.  Once the pictures have been imported, close PSE2018 and revert the system settings of your computer back to GMT / BST.  The information within the PSE2018 won't change.

 

Touching on another thread I found, you will need to decide either to add/edit metadata using external tools prior to importing them into PSE2018, or within PSE2018.  Adding/Editing metadata using external tools once a picture is part of a PSE2018 catalogue can cause the mismatch data, especially if the "Save Metadata to File" option is later used from within PSE2018.  I have ended up in a situation where EXIF, XMP and IPTC tags have become misaligned.  I hope this helps.

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