Banding issue

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I work with windows 10.

I run photoshop 2020 version 20.1.0. Performance parameters are : Graphic processor use, all parameters in avance option are on especially the 30 bit option.

My video card is Nvidia Quatro K620. I have got the last Nvidia Drivers.

When I load a ramp test, the file is in RVB and 16bits, I see banding.

If I change mode in 8 bits the banding disappars and if I'm coming back in 16 bits I don't see banding anymore.

This behavior is very strange, if anybody got a solution of the phenomena please let me know?

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Humbert

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Banding issue

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Dec 16, 2020

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I work with windows 10.

I run photoshop 2020 version 20.1.0. Performance parameters are : Graphic processor use, all parameters in avance option are on especially the 30 bit option.

My video card is Nvidia Quatro K620. I have got the last Nvidia Drivers.

When I load a ramp test, the file is in RVB and 16bits, I see banding.

If I change mode in 8 bits the banding disappars and if I'm coming back in 16 bits I don't see banding anymore.

This behavior is very strange, if anybody got a solution of the phenomena please let me know?

Regards

Humbert

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Could you please post screenshots taken at View > 100% with the pertinent Panels (Layers, Channels, Options Bar, …) visible? 

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Hello,

You will find attached some files about my configuration. All my devices are in 10bits. A strange thing is that when I see the both image on screen, there is a big difference between 16bits file and the one convert in 8 bits but they are the same on screenshots.

Anyway, the banding is there and I don't understand why. I just loaded the new drivers for the K620 card. Before with the last version I had not this problem. So I think this is a driver problem. I try to come back on last version but nothing change. I don't know how to clear correctly the drivers and come back properly to the last ones.

May be I can try the Nvidia studio driver ?

 

Thanks for your help

Driver K620.JPGEcran.JPGoriginal 16bits change 8 bits.JPGoriginal 16bits.JPGPref PS.JPGVer PS.JPGVersion Windows 10.JPG

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LEGEND ,
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Does the banding also happen when you create a Gradient Layer (with »Noise« checked maybe)? 

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Yes.

I tried some gradient layers from black to white and from small amoung of black or small amoung of white and I still have the banding issue.

I am reading other posts about this subject and I will try their solutions to see if one of them works.

Thanks for your time.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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I think the OP's concern here is that 10 bit display doesn't work, and reverts to standard 8 bit.

 

I just re-double-checked, and it works on both my systems. One NVidia Quadro P600, and one P2000. Both use driver version 452.57. Windows 10 version 20H2 on both.

 

Note that it is necessary to set it in the Quadro driver, and this can get reset in an update (driver and/or Windows).

10bit.png

 

Photoshop uses dithering for 8 bit files, so it won't show there.

 

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I have the same config than you on my Nvidia panel. see attached file.

Nvidia panel.JPG

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Bonjour, Humbert, I'll continue in English since you seem to be proficient.

Does your monitor support 10bits/channel?

Do you run calibration? 

Do you run into the issue if you download a previous version?

Is there an option for 10 bits in the display drivers?

 

FYI, converting 16 to 8 bits introduces some dithering, hence maybe the disappearance of the banding.

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Bonjour,

My monitor is a dell ultresharp 2713. It supports 10bits/channel. It is hard calibrated. Everything was fine with version 452.06 until I download the new Nvidia drivers version 460.89 (see file attached).

I tried to comeback on version 452.06 but the banding issue did not disappear.

Everything is set to 10 bits, screen, driver and PS.nvidia driver version.JPG

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By hard calibrated, do you mean at the factory?

If you can use a calibrator, did you try to run it again?

 

(sorry for the basic questions, but one can sometimes overlook simple stuff)

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I do calibration by myself with I1 Display pro and the Dell software : Dell Ultrasharp Calibration Solution (Done by Xrite for Dell).

I will perform a calibration this afternoon to see if this can solve the problem.

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I does happen that driver updates break 10 bit support. Not often, but it happens.

 

Try to perform a clean install of the 452 driver. That's a separate checkbox in the installer options. It should remove all traces of the 460 driver. I'd also uninstall the "peripheral" components in the driver, and just install the basic display driver (that's what I always do anyway).

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Done with both version of driver but still the same. I am doing a hard calibration. I will see if it's change something, but I don't think so.

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Done hardware calibration this afternoon, banding still there.

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I think that the problem is that graphique processor is not in use. In preference tab GPU is enable but when I want to use the shortcut with my pen up and down to change hardness and opacity of the brush I don't see the red color only the circle and values and this is  because the GPU is not in use (I saw some comments on that in Adobe support community).

I don't know if it is a GPU driver or photoshop issue as I change both the same day. Probably driver.

 

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What does it look like here:

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Community Beginner ,
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Yes exactly the same.

Could you see if you disable the GPU you get the same think than me when changing hardness and opacity of the brush with the short cut (circle size changes without the red color) ?

Thanks

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