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Hi there,

I was wondering if there was an action or script that could product guide lines based on 4x6, 5x7, 8x10 print sizes?  I would like to have this because I do a lot of sports composites with text and graphics and produce packages with wallets, 4x6, 5x7, 8x10.  Having the guide lines would allow me to ensure that none of the elements end up off the paper when the printers produce the actual printwork. 

Right now I am using a .png that I created as an overlay layer that I can turn off but an actual action with guide lines would be more time efficient and precise.

Anyone able to help?

--Tim

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Hi there,

I was wondering if there was an action or script that could product guide lines based on 4x6, 5x7, 8x10 print sizes?  I would like to have this because I do a lot of sports composites with text and graphics and produce packages with wallets, 4x6, 5x7, 8x10.  Having the guide lines would allow me to ensure that none of the elements end up off the paper when the printers produce the actual printwork. 

Right now I am using a .png that I created as an overlay layer that I can turn off but an actual action with guide lines would be more time efficient and precise.

Anyone able to help?

--Tim

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crops.jpg

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This could be automated with a Photoshop script.  Image sizes have and Aspect Ratio you show a Landscape image with a 3:2 aspect ratio.  And seem to want to crop this image to various Portraits aspect ratios.  8x10 4:5,  5:7 and 4x6 2:3 Asoect ratios.  Normally this will not work well for too much image content will be cropped off.

A script could create cropping guide lines or better yet set a Aspect Ratio Portrait selection that you could position  for the best composition then use image crop.   The cropping guides you showed in the other thread you started were way off the mark.

Red 4:5 8x10, Green  5:7 and Blue 2:3 4x6,

your jpeg

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JJMack​  I'm ok with cutting the sides off an image (slightly) because the 5x7 and 8x10 are not THAT much dissimilar with 4x6.  I have no idea how to write a script so if you can help with that, I would really appreciate it.  The overlay I created works for both portrait and landscape so all its doing is showing where the edges would be trimmed.  I am not trying to crop a vertical out of a horizontal.

kstohlmeyer1​  if it was THAT easy, I would have already done it    The problem is that not all images have the same starting dimensions so recording an action (in which the guides would be locked in my percentage or actual pixels) isn't doable - unless I am missing something here.

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You didn't mention that the original images were varying dimensions just that the desired outputs were 4x6, 5x7 and 8x10.

Not sure how you could automate or even script guides if the starting dimensions or even aspect ratios are not the same.

Kevin Stohlmeyer Adobe Community Professional/Adobe Certified Instructor

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That's what I am trying to figure out.  I'm surprised that nobody else has every thought of this question.

An action should work provided I set the starting dimensions to a constant prior to running the action.

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I wrote a Plug-in script years ago the can be used in Actions to make aspect ratio selections.  It can be used when recording actions  to set Aspect Ration selection for use in a interactive transform selection step where the user can position the selection  for best composition, then press enter where the action will continue and make the crop.

I wrote two such Plug-in  One to sets the Aspect Ration selection orientation to match the current document orientation.  Landscape to Landscape, Portrait to Portrait.   The second Plug-in can also do that  or set the  Aspect Ratio selection  to the other orientation  Landscape to Portrait, Portrait to Landscape.  The second one is more complex to user than the first one and is what I used to set mte Red, Green and Blue overlays.

The first plug-in would be very easy to change the set the selection  to the width and height set in the  dialog rather then rotating the fot the document current orientation.   The Plug in is part of me Crafting Action Package.   So you can download my package and easily make the change to the script just remove the Aspect Ration rotatiom part.

Crafting Actions Package UPDATED Aug 10, 2014 Added Conditional Action steps to Action Palette Tips.

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JJMack Sooooo...  out of that zip file, which is the one that I want to use to accomplish the task at hand?

(and THANK YOU for posting the zip file)

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It should be easy to spot script have an extension .jsx and one has the name AspectRatioSelection  and its use is documented in the text file actions enhanced via scripted Photoshop functions.  And here is a tip for you when you record the Transform selection step that you make interactive Rotate the selection 180 degrees while recording the step.  For if the Select set is good and you hit enter to accept its location. Enter will cancel the transform if you did not rotate it 180 degrees during its recording.   The 180 rotation will be accepted as a a transform change when you press enter.

If you have various  size images and various aspect ratio cameras images action a lone can not do what you want some scripting is required.

Also as pointed out The Crop Tool and the  Marque Tool can easily make Aspect Ration crops and selections.   What you want to do is commonly done with Photoshop it not hard.

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JJMack​  forgive my ignorance, but what do I do from here?  I NEVER use scripts so this is all new to me.  Thanks for your help so far.

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Basic info on script installation can be found here:

Prepression: Downloading and Installing Adobe Scripts

The “AspectRatioSelection.jsx” script is used to create a selection at a user defined aspect ratio. The selection can be used with the image > crop command instead of using the crop tool with a defined aspect ratio. The script input/output can also be recorded into an action without the script interface being visible when the action is used which facilitates batch processing.

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That Script is a Photoshop Plug-in  Its is designed to be used in Actions like other Photoshop Plug-in like Fit Image.  The setting you set recording he action will be recorded into the Action step by the Plug-in. When the Action Is Played or Batch the step will not display its dialog the recorded settings will be used. The Plug-in  however will not set Portrait Aspect Selection in Landscape document.  It only set the same orientation Aspect Ratio selections. It will rotate the setting you use to the the document current orientation.  For you purpose you would need to modify the script and remove the code the does that rotation. The Plug-in Set Aspect Ratio Paths and Selections the are rectangular or elliptical, Photoshop ships with many scripts like Lens correction, Photomerge, Images Processor.  You  may have used scripts before but never realized it.  Most Photoshop Users never write their own.  It is not our job to teach you Photoshop we are here just to help you. Adobe Photoshop Scripting 

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I'm not asking you to teach me Photoshop - I was just asking how to use the script that you provided so I can get the guide lines like you depicted in your screenshot. 

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The Script is like automating the Rectangle Tool or Rectangle Marquee Tool Or Ellipse tools or elliptical marquee Tool.  If you know how to use these tools you should know how to use the Plug-In  Script It has the same Options as those tools.  There are two additional options added.  The Selection or Path can be relative to the document top left corner or relative to the document center. You want to use center though either will work for an interactive Action where the  user  can interactively transform the selection or path made by the plug-in.  The second additional option is border.   The Selection or Path can be set relative to the Document full size or to the center portion of the document like it has a 25% size boarder on the four sides. You do not want to use boarder though either will work for an interactive Action where the  user  can interactively transform the selection or path made by the plug-in. Additional Options outline in Red. Tool Selections in Green. The setting set would be like the ones set here.

You still need to remove the aspect ratio rotating code in the script the you could consider the first number field width and the second number field height

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Another option for automation… Further to my reply #16, using JJMack’s “AspectRatioSelection.jsx”, record an action that sets the selection to 4:6, then create a work path from the selection and rename the work path 4:6. Then repeat the process for the other required aspect ratios.

I am trying to find a script that will add guides to a selection, however the paths are workable (a shame that guides don’t snap to paths though).

EDIT: I worked out a hack using an action to add guides to the selection bounds (requires CC2014 or later).

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@Stephen_A_Marsh  do you care to share your hack?

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The script I made public will not set aspect ratio selection or path that do not match a documents current  orientation or is a 1:1 aspect ratio. So in a Landscape document you can not set portrait oriented selection or path.

The Plug-in I wrote that can set any either kind is harder to understand and use so I did not make that one public.  I used that plug-in here and I do not intend to make the plug-in public. For IMO Landscape to Portrait and Portrait to Landscape conversions do not work well for too much image content is lost

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@Stephen_A_Marsh  do you care to share your hack?

Sure!

However to be clear, all it does is add guides to the bounds of an active selection. You first have to install and record JJMack’s script into an action to create the various aspect ratio selections, before recording the process of adding guides or converting the selection to a path (as originally detailed in my post #21).

The link to the action is here:

Dropbox - Guides from Selection (CC2014).atn

Addendum:

I eventually found a script solution after hacking the action to do the same!

// Add Guides to Selection Bounds.jsx

// https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/add_guides_to_a_selection

#target Photoshop

main();

function main(){

if(!documents.length) return;

var startRulerUnits = preferences.rulerUnits;

try{

preferences.rulerUnits = Units.PIXELS

var SB = activeDocument.selection.bounds;

}catch(e){return;}

guideLine(SB[1].value,"Hrzn");

guideLine(SB[3].value,"Hrzn");

guideLine(SB[0].value,"Vrtc");

guideLine(SB[2].value,"Vrtc");

preferences.rulerUnits = startRulerUnits;

}

function guideLine(position, type){

var desc = new ActionDescriptor();

var desc2 = new ActionDescriptor();

desc2.putUnitDouble( app.charIDToTypeID ('Pstn'), app.charIDToTypeID('#Pxl'), position );

desc2.putEnumerated( app.charIDToTypeID('Ornt'), app.charIDToTypeID('Ornt'), app.charIDToTypeID(type) );

desc.putObject( app.charIDToTypeID('Nw  '), app.charIDToTypeID('Gd  '), desc2 );

executeAction( app.charIDToTypeID('Mk  '), desc, DialogModes.NO );

};

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Further to my previous reply:

Here is the action to add aspect ratio guides – 2:3 (4:6), 4:5 (8:10), 5:7 & 9:16 portrait docs, with the same options for landscape docs. All you need to do is play the “Conditional Run” and it will apply the appropriate orientation actions. As there are no labels, it could be confusing as to which set of guides is which. This action is more of a “proof of concept” than anything else, but if it works for you that is great!

aspect-ratio-guides.png

Dropbox - Add Aspect Ratio Guides.zip

Prepression: Downloading and Installing Adobe Scripts

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@Stephen_A_Marsh that action is PERFECT.  Thank you so much!

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Record using the View/New Guide Command and enter your values.

Kevin Stohlmeyer Adobe Community Professional/Adobe Certified Instructor

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Just curious, as the crop tool has the ability to work with various aspect ratios, how would/could it fit into your workflow? Or is it just that you wish to “visualise” the different possibilities up front?

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Exactly - its for previsualization.  I used the crop tool to drag guides into the document and then painted a thin line over the guides when I created my overlay. 

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Perhaps he is a bit like me.  I have bee using Photoshop for 20+ years and never use the crop tool for I do not like some id its features.  I just use the marque tool which can also  set aspect ratio selection  I just use Image Crop.   I have never found a need for the crop tool and its very easy to automate select and image crop.

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Perhaps he is a bit like me.  I have bee using Photoshop for 20+ years and never use the crop tool for I do not like some id its features.  I just use the marque tool which can also  set aspect ratio selection  I just use Image Crop.  I have never found a need for the crop tool and its very easy to automate select and image crop.

I too have often used the selection/crop method, however if you don’t get the selection right the first time, then you have to transform the selection or redraw it… So one may as well just use the crop tool.

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I have read entire thread and I am still not sure are you satisfied with answers or not? I have idea how you can solve problem using action but I will need more information's to give you advice or to record action.

Idea for action: create template file with guidelines. Template file should be maximum dimensions that you expect to have. Action can convert layer with image to Smart Object, or template can be created using Smart Object Layer. Edit Smart Object content and place or paste image which you want to use. Action steps depend on what you decide to use: place command or open image, copy to clipboard then edit SM object and paste. Both methods should work just fine although placing image is probably more difficult because you must consider default options when placing images and some additional step(s) and changes in Preferences may need to be done to place image with actual pixel dimensions. After updating content of Smart Object layer you will have what you want. The next step can be to duplicate document then to trim it if there is extra space around image or even to use Reveal command if you cannot figure out what is biggest dimension you will have to work with.

Another option that you have is to work with template and to use Image > Variables and Data Sets. Define Pixel Replacement variable for layer with image and set Method to As Is. Use manual method to import image. Importing image into template cannot be automated with action as far as I know, the rest after importing image into templte can be automated: duplicate document, trim/reveal all as needed and that should do the job.

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Bojan+%C5%BDivkovi%C4%87  wrote

Idea for action: create template file with guidelines. Template file should be maximum dimensions that you expect to have. Action can convert layer with image to Smart Object, or template can be created using Smart Object Layer. Edit Smart Object content and place or paste image which you want to use. Action steps depend on what you decide to use: place command or open image, copy to clipboard then edit SM object and paste. Both methods should work just fine although placing image is probably more difficult because you must consider default options when placing images and some additional step(s) and changes in Preferences may need to be done to place image with actual pixel dimensions.

I like that and was thinking along the same lines. You could simply create a vector-based template using Photoshop shape tools, and just place that file. It didn't take long to work this out, and I think I resolved the resizing issue that Bojan mentioned so that it works right with different images, in one quick step that can easily be recorded as an Action if you want.

Conrad-Chavez-Aspect-ratio-framer-placed.gif

You can make this even simpler by skipping the Place Linked dialog box step, by simply Alt-dragging the template from the desktop and dropping it into the Photoshop document. (Dragging is the same as the Place Embedded command, while Alt-drag (Option-drag on Macs) is the same as Place Linked.)

It just doesn't get any simpler than a single drag-and-drop that resizes itself.

There are two things that must be set up for this to work.

1. Create an aspect ratio guide template. The Image Size must be larger than the largest image that you use it with (I'll explain why soon). Use the vector shape tools in Photoshop so that it's resolution-independent, unlike a PNG. This is what my quick-and-dirty one looked like:

Aspect-ratio-guides-template.jpg

2. In Photoshop preferences, General pane, make sure the Resize Image During Place option is selected. This ensures that the oversized template will always be scaled down to fit the Image Size of the document as it's being placed. This is why the template size must be larger than your largest image size, so it will always be scaled down to fit no matter what the size of the document is. A smaller template size doesn't work because Resize Image During Place only scales down to fit, not up.

Photoshop-Preferences-General.jpg

That's it, no programming needed.

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Conrad C​  are you willing to post the aspect ratio guide template that you that you showed in your post above (reply #20)?  That would be very helpful.  Thanks!

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You need to be careful with Place it will resize image files and may also scale smart object layer created to fit on canvas. If your PSD with the overlay document does not has the same aspect ratio size and resolution of the document you place it into  the overlay lines will most likely not be where you want then to be.   Most user that use Photoshop and use Place do not know how place works and are mislead by the Photoshop Place preferences. Place drove me to drink till I work out how Place worked.  I do not know which Adobe junior programmer implemented  place. I like toe have it out with them....

Dose checking  Skip Transform when placing mean the image will not be resized or transformed?  Does uncheck resize image During Place mean the image will not be resized?  Does Always Create Smart Object when Placing work yes I think that one  does work as worded.  However the first two place preferences are just plain misleading.  Every Smart object layer has an associated transform.  Are place image always resized if resized during place is checked? No.  The preference has nothing to do with image being resized or not.  For reasons unknown to me Image are degraded by resizing if the document Print resolution is not the same print resolution of the image file being placed.   I also never tested what resize during place if does if tour are not creation smart object layers for I always want and create smart object layers during place.    What I do know about what Resize during Place does is.  If the Smart Object layer created is larger than the document canvas. Resize during Place will adjust the Smart Object Layer associated transform to scale the smart object layer to fit on canvas. The Smart object is still larger then canvas size but its being scaled so is scaled version is on canvas.

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timd94211753  wrote

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Conrad+C   are you willing to post the aspect ratio guide template that you that you showed in your post above (reply #20)?

Sure. I uploaded it to my Creative Cloud Files area so you can download it:

https://adobe.ly/2CJDYMn

It should be easy to customize as long as you're familiar with how to edit shape layers & paths in Photoshop.

I added a note in the Photoshop document, containing the instructions mentioned here in case the template gets passed around to people who haven't seen this thread.

IMPORTANT: JJMack's reply contains excellent supporting information that I agree with. To make sure the template works as intended, in the General pane of Photoshop preferences, make sure the three preferences highlighted by JJMack are set as indicated:

  • Resize Image During Place: On
  • Skip Transform When Placing: Off
  • Always Create Smart Objects When Placing: On

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@Conrad that is very helpful.  I can definitely use it.  Thank you very much!

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