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How to repair specific banding on a digital photo

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Hey, this isn't the normal kind of color banding. We think it possibly has something to do high speed sync with the electronic shutter at 1/8000 shutter speed. It seems the electronic shutter at a high shutter speed in really bright conditions will make the banding. I wasn't aware that this was happening while taking the photos...and now I have these irreplaceable images from a vacation that are essentially ruined. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this or has been able to repair this somehow so that I might keep these images. I'm going to attach one of the images as an example.

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Change the mode to Lab Color

Choose the L channel

Filter > Blur >Surface Blur Radius 9.  Threshold 15

Return mode to RGB

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How to repair specific banding on a digital photo

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Hey, this isn't the normal kind of color banding. We think it possibly has something to do high speed sync with the electronic shutter at 1/8000 shutter speed. It seems the electronic shutter at a high shutter speed in really bright conditions will make the banding. I wasn't aware that this was happening while taking the photos...and now I have these irreplaceable images from a vacation that are essentially ruined. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this or has been able to repair this somehow so that I might keep these images. I'm going to attach one of the images as an example.

2E4A3228-4.jpg

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Change the mode to Lab Color

Choose the L channel

Filter > Blur >Surface Blur Radius 9.  Threshold 15

Return mode to RGB

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that looks like a lot of photoshopping. I do not know any point and click solution for this.

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I'm not an Adobe employee. All advice constitutes my own opinion. Use at your risk! 🙂

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Interesting. What's the fill light, specifically? On camera flash? Some kind of LED? That's where it is, not the background.

I've noticed with my Sony that the silent shutter tends to give these interference stripes in LED and fluorescent lighting. That's because the sensor is scanned, not read all in one. I just need to be careful to avoid a certain shutter speed range, and adjust ISO if necessary.

Fixing it is possible, but takes a lot of time. No magic button.

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You may be able to reduce the effect like this:

Make two copies of the image layer.

Name the lower "Low Frequency"

Name the upper "High Frequency"

Select the low frequency and apply a  gaussian blur of around 6px

Select the high frequency layer and goto menu Image - Apply Image
Set the layer to use as "Low Frequency"
Set Blending mode to subtract
Scale 2

Offset 128

Click OK

Set High Frequency layer blending mode to Linear Light

Put the high frequency layer in a smart object and use High pass adjusting the radius to keep the contrast detail but remove the banding
Invert the Smart filter mask so all is black

Use a soft brush to paint on the mask until the banding goes


I added a masked copy of the original and lightly painted back in over any edge "ringing"

Not perfect, it has softened the skin, but IMO easier on the eye than the original banding

Dave

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Basically a frequency separation for fixing skin used to remove the banding. Not a bad idea there.

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Daniel+E+Lane  wrote

Basically a frequency separation for fixing skin used to remove the banding. Not a bad idea there.

Yep - with the added high pass on the HF layer

Dave

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Good job, Dave - certainly qualifies as a "magic button"

Just to show what the "LED-effect" looks like on a shutterless sensor, here's one with a steep curve on top to exaggerate. This is full uncropped frame, shot at 1/320th second:

LED.jpg

The line frequency increases with higher shutter speeds. At 1/100th-ish and below it's usually not a problem (so an optical stabilizer comes in handy if you use a long lens).

Most of these cameras, like my Sony a7RII, normally operate with a shutter - the silent mode is optional. I made it a habit to only use that when absolutely required by the situation.

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Which light sources are affected like that in your setup?

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Still trying to figure out what this flickering is. The obvious explanation is mains frequency. But:

Here the mains frequency is 50Hz, so that's 1/50th second per period. There are 8 horizontal bands, at 1/320th second. That doesn't add up.

However - the actual sensor scanning probably takes a lot longer than the nominal shutter speed. I suppose it has to, if the sensor is scanned line by line, and each line represents 1/320th second.

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c.pfaffenbichler  wrote

Which light sources are affected like that in your setup?

This is LED, that's all I know. I don't have any detailed specs. This was in available room light, I didn't set it up.

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Hi

Yes it is a combination of flickering lighting and line scanning frequency.

An LED is a DC device so the actual frequency of the LED flicker may be mains frequency but may be higher. A simple rectifier will flicker at 50 Hz (with each positive cycle). A bridge rectifier will flicker at 100Hz (each half cycle, negative or positive, becoming positive). A switch mode power supply will operate at a frequency much higher than mains. A well made power supply should smooth out the variation and not flicker at all - but that introduces cost.

Dave

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davescm  wrote

A well made power supply should smooth out the variation and not flicker at all - but that introduces cost.

I should have guessed...

Anyway, we haven't heard what fill light the OP actually used here. I'd still like to know.

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This is from https://digital-photography-school.com/understand-flash-sync-speed-so-you-dont-sink-your-photo-shoot...

On-camera flash (i.e. Speedlight)

Your on-camera flash won’t let you set a shutter speed higher than your sync speed. However, some on-camera flash systems have a setting for high speed sync. In other words you can set a faster shutter speed than the normal sync speed. This setting is useful if you’re using flash outdoors because sometimes 1/200s is too slow a shutter speed, and will result in overexposure on a very bright day even at f22.

High speed sync sends several pulses of lower intensity light as the curtains travel across the focal plane, instead of the usual big burst a studio flash makes. Using high speed sync is also useful in situations where you want shallow depth of field, or fill light, if using flash outdoors

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Yeah, that could be it.

There's another interesting side effect of shutterless exposure, this one occurring at slow speeds: Instead of camera shake, you may get bent and in some cases disjointed straight lines.

All in all, working with a silent, curtain-less shutter can be a blessing in delicate situations, and you may be able to get shots you otherwise couldn't get at all. But plan a little ahead to avoid these shortcomings. A traditional curtain shutter is still much safer if the noise is acceptable. I keep my Sony with shutter enabled as long as I can. In any case, it's still orders of magnitude quieter than my Nikons.

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@davescm will the trick you posted work for thicker bands like this?
got a new mirrorless and didn't realize how much the banding was a problem on silent.

I have some of these from the getting ready,  and some from a church ceremony. I'm desperately looking for a solution.

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Hi Yes - if anything it is slightly easier as there is better separation between the soft banding (LF) and the fine detail (HF).

Separate the two layers as described in my earlier post then, with a soft low opacity brush, just paint into the Low Frequency Layer using colour picked up from other parts of the image

Dave

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interesting solution.

didn't realize I'd have to paint the individual frames.

I think I'm going to have to look into an automated solution. I'm currently searching for plugins that fix "rolling banding"

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Any luck with this?

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Hi Dave,

I figured out most of it. I'm using a brush to paint on the high pass layer, but nothing is happening. What am I missing here.Screen Shot 2019-10-25 at 11.17.50 AM.png

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Hi

You will only see the smart filter mask after you click OK on the High Pass filter

Dave

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Righto. I actually changed my question, cause I figured that part out. 

 

I'm now painting on the high pass filter with a soft white brush, but nothing is happening. I attached a new screenshot above. 

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The High Pass filter part is not goint to work on that image - it was for the lighter more frequent banding in the original post. Try missing that step and painting on the LF layer. I'm about to leave so can't try it for you now but if you post the image I'll look at it tomorrow.

Dave

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Thanks Dave! I will give it a try. 🙂

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Hi Dave,

I've followed your steps, skipping the high pass filter.
From there am I painting directly on the LF layer with white? When I try that, I get really pixeled lightening of that area, but it's not making it go away. 

Could it have to do with the px I set on the gausian blur??

Sorry I'm a newb at these frequency seperation things. 

Thanks! Your saving my butt for these first dance photos :S 

 

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Can you post the image?

Dave

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KJ200075A.jpg

Here's a jpeg. I have 10 images I need to fix, so once I have a system I'll dive in. This is the most important one.

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Hi

I don't think frequency separation is going to do it on that image. It works on the dress but in the dark areas of the ground for example there is no detail to separate. It helps with the dress but for the ground you will need to use some traditional cloning/ content aware fill

2019-10-28_22-01-18.jpg

 

Dave

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Thank you for taking the time! I really appreciate it. 

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2.png

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Change the mode to Lab Color

Choose the L channel

Filter > Blur >Surface Blur Radius 9.  Threshold 15

Return mode to RGB

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( Filter > Surface Blur )  Nice!  Worked great on the white hat, too.

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