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Geting started with Photoshop cc on 4K monitor faced with problem of scale of interfece-its too small. How to adjust it to that resolution 3200x1800? Thanks in  advance.

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Preferences > Experimental features > Scale UI 200%.......

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How to use photoshop on 4K monitor? the scale of interface is too small...

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Geting started with Photoshop cc on 4K monitor faced with problem of scale of interfece-its too small. How to adjust it to that resolution 3200x1800? Thanks in  advance.

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Preferences > Experimental features > Scale UI 200%.......

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Preferences > Experimental features > Scale UI 200%.......

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If you install Photoshop CC 2014 it has an experimental preference  for 2x UI for displays the have a hihj DOI resolution.   Photoshop UI is  scaled as though your display has half the resolution that it has. Your 3200x1800px 13.3 LCD has a 276 DPI resolution  Photoshop will scale its UI as though your display is a 1600x900PX display with a 138 DPI resolution, Each pixel in the UI will be doubled in width and height.  So four of your display pixels will be use for each of the current UI pixels. The UI will display 4 times the size it currently displays.  However the image area be greatly reduced in size.

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Blimey JJ.  I didn't even think the OP might not be using CC.  It's true what they say about making assumptions.  My bad

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J.J. and I type slowly so it's only after we click "add reply" that we find out someone got in with the same answer and our posts come out looking like we didn't read post #2.

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Yes I can not type I hunt and peck  so I'm slow and I also consult with Photoshop try to give correct information.

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That aside, Congratulations, J.J. and Trevor on your MVPs!

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Feb 12, 2015

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You too.

Its nice to know the Adobe appreciates user that help their users and also does not censor forums but for inappropriate content.  I am a big fan of Photoshop and have also been very critical of Adobe support sill Adobe recognized me..  While Photoshop is the best game in town I would still like to see bugs fixed.   Adobe's programming staff is outstanding they can fix them.  Adobe does fix major bug.

This experimental 2x UI is a case where Adobe realizes when something does not work I have confidences Adobe and Microsoft will come up with a solution.  While the current patch may be OK for laptop and tablets with high resolution 4K displays it does not actually work well for Laptop and Tablets that have high resolution displays that are not 4K tablets.  Displays with less the 2056x1536 pixels do not meet Photoshop requirement when run at half resolution.  If you look at the above append you would see the a machine like Microsoft Surface Pro 2 which has a high resolution 1920x180 pixels. When you use Photoshop on it and use the 2x preference its equivalent of running Photoshop on a machine with ad display with 960x540 pixels.  The display does not meet Photoshop Requirements so Photoshop UI does not fit on screen, A Surface Pro 3 screen 2160x1440 becomes a 1080x720 close to the required 1024x768 just 48 pixel short in height.

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Feb 16, 2015

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Here is a picture of my 280x1620 monitor (sony vaio bought for use with photoshop) It's a touch screen so naturally I have not been able to use it what so ever, my finger is 12 times as large as the icons, and the pen is too inaccurate to successfully hit the little tags in the gradient selector (i hit 1 in 30 times) I have now enabled the experimental 2X ui feature and i think it is marginally more productive... I can hit the buttons now probably. However now my painting area is about 50% of the screen size, so it's far from ideal, indeed I will continue to choose to work on a different computer when I can. I have been browsing topics like these and see they go back to 2010. Why is this not fixed yet? It's a major gripe for me. I'm 25, and I can't read the font because it's so small in the default, nonexperimental view. I am awaiting a more streamlined solution for this than filling up my windows with unnecessary dead space that is the experimental 2X size option. I am so frustrated. So very frustrated. If only I could run opensource painting program Krita without crashing I would have stopped paying for CC a long time ago.
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200% UI Scaling on Windows was introduced in Photoshop CC 2014.  It took quite a bit of work from Microsoft and Adobe to make that happen.

Adobe is continuing to work with Microsoft to address the OS issues required to make more flexible UI scaling possible on Windows.

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Feb 16, 2015

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Checkout Touchkey Touchkey (tutorial) - Touchscreen art keys for Surface Pro 3 and other Windows tablets - YouTube

Supports machine other the the Surface Pro 3

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Jun 05, 2015

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I am seriously not impressed with Adobe - maybe, you shouldnt have pushed the product out before it was ready? We are paying this, you  know... i mean, we are paying to essentially be super frustrated (and curse you) while, it certainly seems, you dont care. You already got the money...

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I believe it was your choice to buy a 4k display. Did you read any user reviews before you did. The UI Issue is a result of the display's high resolution the display displays much smaller pixels than older displays four time as many pixels in the same area so four times the information is displayed in the same area. So what is displayed of course is 1/4 the size that would be displayed on older displays that displayed larger size pixels. Your old 20" 1920x1080 display became 4 10" 1920x1080 displayed in the same 20" area. You now have  3840x2160pixels twice the resolution. The display you purchased you got what you paid for.  Adobe 2x UI lets you use your new high resolution display liker two displays a 1920x1080 display for its UI the display at 1/2 resolution four native pixels are user to make a single UI pixel so the display like on old low resolution displays with half the resolution.  While Photoshop display you image on a high resolution display the is 3840x2160 pixels. However many of the pixels have bee allocated as UI pixels so the display area for image has been greatly  reduced.   Many would like to be able to scale the UI to less than 2x like 1.5x or 1.25x so more area would be available for images or Adobe UI will fit on smaller displays like the surface pro 3  2160x1440 display at 2x UI that becomes a 1080x720  display and Photoshop UI requires at least 1024x768,  1080x720 does not meet that requirement.

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Just an observation, as I have just installed 2 4k Samsung monitors today. Lightroom causes no problems as in Preferences font size is set to automatic and so far cannot see any problem. Photoshop cc 2015 even though I cannot see anywhere where you can alter the font size seems to have done just that and there are no problem. However Bridge is awful as the font size is too small. Come on Adobe, you have done it for Lightroom and PS 2015, when will Bridge be brought up to date? I have altered the font size in Windows 8.1 and all my Microsoft products and other programs seem to be visble ok The main offenders are Photoshops prior to cc 2015

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stating its the users fault for buying such a display is lame in the extreme. Adobe users are at the high end of graphical professionals and can be expected to want high end equipment. To suggest they should all by older lower resolution screens instead of adobe getting their act together and updating their interface is pathetic.

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muhammadb85492090 wrote:

instead of adobe getting their act together and updating their interface is pathetic.

Bridge, yes.

But Photoshop, with the 200% UI scaling option, has worked correctly with 4K displays for quite some time now. There's nothing more to fix (except maybe add a 150% option as well).

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I installed CS 4 creative suite on a new Lenovo Yoga 13.3" QHD+ (3200 x 1800) IPS, - photoshop is tiny scale. I tried changing lenovo system settings scale to 200% but that did not help. Do I need to reinstall the Adobe CS to find the preference settings you mention? What else do you advise?

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1800/768 = 2.34375 so the max scaling you can do is 225% and meet Photoshop 1024x768 UI requirement.  Your 13.3" display has a 16:9 aspect ratio and a 276 DPI resolution.  Scaling that display 225% would make it like a 123DPI display.  Photoshop UI was designed for a 96dpi resolution.   You should find Photoshop UI a little small but it should be quite useable.  If you have the Latest Windows 10 updates and Photoshop CC 2018 version 19.1+. when you set your Displaye"s windows scaling setting to 225%.

For old versions of Photoshop with Windows 10 you can force Windows scaling onto Photoshop.  Both UI and Image will be scaled by Window. Using a Windows shortcut to opens Photoshop and override High DPI Scaling to System enhanced. Set your display's Windows scaling setting to 225%. Do not set any Adobe Photoshop scaling setting to other than 100%

or

set 234.367

However Microsoft doe not recommend the  last one.

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thank you for your reply. I have a very old version of photoshop in a CS 4

creative suite.

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‌Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop do not support new 4K or 5k resolution yet. Scaling the display to 200% is incorrect way to go about it. If you go to (Mac) Aplications > Lightroom 5 > Get info ! remove tic from box 'Open in High resolution' and the problem will be solved. Lightroom and Photoshop will be the same size as before. I guess it will be some time before Adobe supports 5K monitors...

you you can do that in each of the programs and it will sort the scaling issue out... The problem with Display scaling is it affects everything... Hope that helps...

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Barryvj171 wrote:

Scaling the display to 200% is incorrect way to go about it

The 200% UI scaling option only affects the interface, not the image.

The image itself displays as it always has: correctly. At 100% zoom, one image pixel is represented by one screen pixel. That's the only way a professional grade image editor can do it.

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‌Yes, you are correct, but the images are too small to edit, especially when y get down to the pixel level like I do...

IF you go to applications > get info > remove the tic in 'open in hi res', then the program and image will behave exactly as before with the old monitor... Adobe does not yet fully support  4 or 5K monitors, so you will notice the type will be imperfect... But at least now the images are editable...

you ou can of course increase the view to 150 or 200%, but then you don't know what the correct size will be.... that's just my view...

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I don't think that you really understand. Whatever the resolution of the monitor it does not alter the image file size, nor your ability to edit it within Photoshop or whatever program you are using. You can still zoom into pixel level to edit your images.

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‌It does alter the image size (not the size in megabytes, but the viewing size..., but the writing is far too small to ever

n read, unless you upscale the monitor. But if you upscale the display, then everything else is too large... I've been doing this for considerable time, so I know how big everything is supposed to be... But it is up to you how you want to do it... I'm just telling you how I got over the issue without upscaling the display...

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Barryvj171 wrote:

I know how big everything is supposed to be

No, you don't. That depends entirely on the resolution of the display, its pixel density. That's what you don't seem to understand.

The new generation of high-density displays is why Photoshop added the option to scale up the UI elements, so that they appear roughly as they did on a traditional display.

But the image by necessity becomes smaller on these displays. That's what you pay for. It's not a problem, it's a feature, and an expensive one at that.

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‌i see it as a problem, not a feature. i want to edit a photo at 100% not 'roughly as they did before'... anyway, I got it right and it works for me... What ever you do or other people do is entirely up to them...

if it is a feature, why are so many people having 'problems' with it....?

i Think in fact you and I are talking at crossed purposes.... I am talking about display upscaling the actual display in the iMac user options... I'm not talking about upscaling in Photoshop....

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Because like you, they are having a problem seeing applications that do not user their interface. Because high-resolution displays have a pixel size smaller than low-resolution displays have. Things display smaller on high-resolution displays then the same pixels displayed on low-resolution displays.

Go to best buy look at all the 1080P displays. The displays that display 1920x1080 pixels.  You will see them on  tablets, on small HDTV and Large Screen HDTV they are all displaying the same 1920x1080 digital images.  The difference is the tablets have a high-resolution display the small HDTV have a low-resolution display and the large screen HDTV have a very low-resolution display. You have no problem seeing each of the pixels on the large screen display, where you need a magnifying glass to see the pixels on the small 8" tablets.

There is a difference between scaling just the UI and scaling everything being displayed like OS can do. Which defeats high-resolution for things are scaled up in size less can fit on the display the whole display is like a low-resolution display with 1/4 the number of pixels

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I'm having the same trouble with Photoshop CS6 and Bridge but not with Premiere Elements 14. I have a 28" 4K screen running at 60Hz over displayport and the UI fonts are tiny in these programs. My guess is that Adobe will not bother to correct this in CS6 but will they correct it in CC( have they?)? The options of 100% and 200% are not enough. If they have (or are likely to) corrected  it in CC then it might be worth my while taking out a subscription but if not, then I'll stick with CS6 - which I've already paid for.

It is notable that Adobe get it right with Premiere Elements but not with their other (more expensive) software. Also, that most, but not all, of my other programs seem to work well at 4K. So if other software manufacturers can get it right, how come a big company like Adobe can't? And don't give us all that bul****t about 'working with Microsoft' when Adobe can do it with at least one of their programs and other companies can also do it.

Fix it Adobe.

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Mike Hounsome wrote:

My guess is that Adobe will not bother to correct this in CS6 but will they correct it in CC( have they?)?

That's right, CS6 will not receive any more updates.

Fix it Adobe.

They have. The current CC version fully supports high-density displays and has so since CC2014.

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So the current Photoshop CC allows one to choose any UI scaling, not just 100% or 200%? If so, I might consider subscribing.

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You're right, a 150% option would be useful for some people. I'm not denying that. 28" at 3840 x 2160 would fall into that middle category.

My bad. I assumed you were just complaining about the small image size, just like everybody else. I'll read more carefully next time, I promise.

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Mike Hounsome wrote:

I'm having the same trouble with Photoshop CS6 and Bridge but not with Premiere Elements 14. I have a 28" 4K screen running at 60Hz over displayport and the UI fonts are tiny in these programs. My guess is that Adobe will not bother to correct this in CS6

Here is a CS6 fix to look at: http://www.danantonielli.com/adobe-app-scaling-on-high-dpi-displays-fix/

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As long as it's understood that this option will scale everything, including the image itself.

If I understand Mike correctly this time, he's just concerned with the UI, not the image. In his case 100% is too small, but 200% to big. With a 28" unit at standard 4K resolution, that's a valid point.

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I've downloaded the 30 day trial of Photoshop CC which also loads Lightroom. Both these now have a sensible UI size by default but Bridge CC still has this problem so I'm not sure whether it's worth paying monthly for a package that offers only half an improvement over CS6. Does anybody know how to get Bridge CC to have a sensible UI size?

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I use this trick on my CS6 and it works quite well Adobe App Scaling on High DPI Displays (FIX) « Dan Antonielli

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They wany your subscription money

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I'm using CS5 and I don't see the Experimental menu option. What are my options to fix this issue?

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Hi

Your best bet is upgrading to latest PS CC 2015.1.2 version.

If there is a Hack, I won't publicize it here.

Pierre

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ChrisBaltazar wrote:

I'm using CS5 and I don't see the Experimental menu option. What are my options to fix this issue?

What was state of the art display situation when CS5 came out in 2010.  1920x1200 was probably the highest resolution back then, and I certainly don't remember any complaints regarding using Photoshop on such a display. 

Out of interest, I just tried making a custom workspace that puts everything onto a second screen, and the image window on the main (high res) screen.  Photoshop remembers the settings after a restart, but places new documents on the second screen, so you have to drag back to the big screen with every single document.  Plus things like tabbed documents would not work.  It was a bit clunky judging from my quick experiment, but you _might_ be able to organise things so such a set up was usable, and adapt a workflow that didn't drive you crazy with frustration.

Or just get a CC subscription.  $10 a month is such a paltry amount, and for such an extraordinary application, it feels ridiculous to argue against it.

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