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[Locked] Please, Can't We Just Continue To Purchase Photoshop, not CC, Adobe?

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Please, could we just continue to purchase our programs, Adobe?

I cannot go along with the Creative Cloud only option.  Although Adobe is offering great "discounts" on the Creative Cloud versions, they will absolutely raise the price each year.  (That is clearly stated in their "Terms.")  Adobe's "special discount introductory offer" goes to the "current price" after the first year.  The $9.99 / month special offer becomes $19.99 or $29.99 after a year (or much more - it is completely at Adobe's discretion how high it goes).

I do not want or need the Cloud, Storage, or Collaborative "features" that are the hallmark of the CC releases.  I am pleased to wait for a year for new features.  (Updates for bug fixes should not be delayed, however.)

This is just like the cable and satellite TV companies, they surreptitiously raise the monthly price, until you are paying INSANE amounts.

Like Woody Allen said (my paraphrasing, sorry):

"If you put a frog into a pot of cold water and slowly bring it to a boil, he will just sit there and boil - because the discomfort change is so slow, he'll hardly notice it, until he is thoroughly cooked!"

Adobe wants us to be that frog.

And once we have all signed up and are comfortable in our plan, Adobe wants us to forget that we are (almost invisibly to us) paying each month - while the price goes up and up each year.

I just read about a student who signed up last year for the "introductory" CC pricing for students, and now his price is going up to $29.99 per month, after just one year.  And where does it stop? Do you think it stops at $29.99?

(Quick math solution: $29.99 X 12 = $359.88 PER YEAR, EVERY YEAR!  And this is not capped, so the upward monthly price is unlimited!)

Although I love the products, I don't want to pay another gouging cable or satellite company!

Thanks for listening.

And Adobe, could you please, please continue to offer our "old-style" purchasing of new versions of Photoshop?

I will not join the 'Cloud.'

Please join Me.

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Correct answer by Nancy_OShea | Adobe Community Professional

As of January 2017, Adobe officially stopped selling Creative Suite software. 

If you want Photoshop, you have to subscribe to a Creative Cloud Plan.

The Photography Plan ( PS + Lightroom bundle) is currently USD $9.99/month (paid monthly for 1 year).

Other plan options are also available.

Creative Cloud pricing and membership plans | Adobe Creative Cloud

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New Here ,
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we must stand up to this now . its a slippery slope if we don't. I will now look else where for software I can buy even if its not as good. we are the customers and we have spoken.

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Nov 16, 2014

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As an undergraduate student about to complete his last semester, I have only this to say:

Before the change in business model, it was a foregone conclusion in my mind that I would finally buy Photoshop once I got out into the real world. In fact, I was even about to cave and buy it today until I realized just how much things have changed.

There is security in being able to say that you have paid for something and now own it contractually. I do not want the hassle of having to monitor and calculate the effect of monthly payments. I do not even believe this will be a better deal in the long run.

If this is how it has to be, then I agree with some of the people who posted here. I will seriously look into Photoshop's competitors before I even think about purchasing from Adobe. At best, they are going to get a free trial or two out of me so that I have the experience I need to make that kind of comparison.

Also, I think Creative Cloud is a little tacky overall. But I digress.

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Dec 06, 2014

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I have an interest in digital photography and checked out Adobe Photoshop today.  I wanted to know how much it was going to be as a program as I know editing software isn't cheap.  I noticed it never said anywhere how much it was on the official Adobe webpage and when I went to purchase it I kept getting this Creative Cloud subscription page - which again doesn't answer my question.  I would have really liked to have just bypassed that page altogether and just found out the information I wanted. As a potential new user of the program - I don't know if I will even want the subscription plan even if I love the software - I prefer to buy things outright with no further financial strings attached.   In the end, I just figured "forget it" then went to the Future Shop homepage and did a search for Adobe Photoshop and found the price immediately. 

I am sure that the Creative Cloud subscription plan is awesome.  But as a new user just learning the software I would like to know about that first rather than all these cool add-ons that will cost me so much a month.  Just let me buy the software without all those frills. Then if I choose to want them later I can subscribe and stay updated.

That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

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Mentor ,
Dec 06, 2014

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renishasandrin wrote:

I am sure that the Creative Cloud subscription plan is awesome.  But as a new user just learning the software I would like to know about that first rather than all these cool add-ons that will cost me so much a month.  Just let me buy the software without all those frills. Then if I choose to want them later I can subscribe and stay updated.

That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

It's not such an awesome plan for everyone. Many (most?) are against a "rent forever", and given the choice, would opt for out-right purchase of the applications. But that is no longer an option (CS6 being a red herring here).

renishasandrin wrote:

I have an interest in digital photography and checked out Adobe Photoshop today.  I wanted to know how much it was going to be as a program as I know editing software isn't cheap. 

That seems to me an ideal solution - put in a "No thanks, proceed to check-out" option.

Professional digital photography editing software can actually be very, very affordable. There are alternatives that do an arguably equal or even better job than Adobe's software for digital photo editing. There exist many open source (free) options as well, and a combination of these with affordable commercial alternatives will give you the same possibilities.

Spend some time researching the alternatives - it may save you hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. And you will actually own the software, rather than rent it.

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Mar 16, 2015

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I am only a personal user. I don't use photoshop professionally, though I know a number of people who do, I originally purchased Photoshop outright. Since then, I have changed platforms, PC to Mac, my PC crapped itself and is beyond redemption, and asked Adobe about changing over to the new system. I was told that, as my purchase was more than 12 months old, I would have to purchase photoshop outright again for my new mac. Ok, I kind of get that, but I thought that I might get a discount as an existing customer, nope.

Now, when I go to look at buying it outright again, I need to pay for it month by month. Even if I start at $10 a month (photoshop only), I'm locked into a contract for a year, then if I want to continue using it, I need to pay for it, year after year. I'm sorry, I don't need it enough to warrant paying for it that much.

So, here I am, I own photoshop as a program, I apparently made the mistake of changing computer systems and now I can either buy a crap cheap PC to run the CS that I still 'own', or, pay month by month for a program that I will only use rarely, or say goodbye to Adobe.

Looks, like bye bye Adobe. A shame really, I love using the program too.

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Mar 16, 2015

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Well, depending on the software company it will provide a multi-platform license or not. Adobe does when you become their Digital Serf. But, as you found out, not with a CS6 perpetual license.

I am part of the group of users who dislike the Digital Serfdom as you do, and I prefer to own a license that can be used for as long as I wish. Since Adobe doesn't offer perpetual licenses anymore (I already own CS6), I decided to switch to alternatives. I chose Photoline to replace Photoshop, and I am very happy with my decision. I use krita for digital painting (which does a better job than Photoshop).

You may like Photoline (PhotoLine: Download) - in terms of image editing it is about on par with Photoshop, with some omissions, and some improvements. A full license costs about three months of Photoshop (don't forget, you pay $10 per month for the first year, after that it increases to double that amount!), and the license includes both Mac & Windows. And you own the license forever. No monthly upkeeps. The trial is free.

Pixelmator is another good alternative for Macs. Not nearly as powerful, though.

http://www.pixelmator.com/

Also keep an eye out on Affinity Designer, and their Photoshop alternative Affinity Photo (of which the beta version, by the way, can be downloaded here: Affinity Photo - Professional image editing software for Mac

Both are inexpensive, and are gaining a lot of popular traction currently, and perceived as the "Adobe liberation front" for users not wanting to become Digital Serfs.

Or go with Photoshop Elements (which again cannot really compete with the likes of Photoline or Photoshop, though).

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Mar 16, 2015

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People need to get over this idea that they own the software. Whether it's subscription or "perpetual" (as in, "until it doesn't work anymore due to OS upgrades"), you are paying for a license to use the software and that's it. This has been the standard license model for every vendor since time immemorial.

It doesn't need to be said that paying $120 USD per year for full-on Photoshop (that's the entire kit and kaboodle, 3D included that used to be in the Extended version) is an outright steal (at least for photographers and creatives; I can't speak for those that need, say, Illustrator). We can thank Thomas Knoll for all that. He actually pulled strings at Adobe to get the sub cost lowered for Photoshop because he thought it was a bit much (and that's mostly true for those of us who are enthusiasts). So Adobe cut a deal where they'd have a special limited-time offer. It became permanent when it was clear that it made them a ton of money.

For the price you pay per year, you'd have to pay for at least eight years just to equal what you would pay outright for CS6 Extended. By then, Photoshop CC would already be light years ahead of it. (Not just in terms of new features; also performance.)

As an aside, other vendors are getting into the subscription model. Autodesk is doing it with their SketchBook Pro app. They still have a perpetual license, but the writing's on the wall there; you don't get the "new features" support that the sub license has other than technical support. (It sounds a lot like how CS6 is working right now. It gets no new features that CC gets but it's still being supported in the technical field.) Microsoft is doing the same thing for Office.

I could probably wax poetic about the other image editors but I don't want to make this post too long. (e.g., Somebody tell Corel they can try to be Adobe but they're not Adobe where Photoshop's concerned. Learn to make a UI that doesn't make me want to punch a baby in the face.) 

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Warunicorn wrote:

People need to get over this idea that they own the software. Whether it's subscription or "perpetual" (as in, "until it doesn't work anymore due to OS upgrades"), you are paying for a license to use the software and that's it. This has been the standard license model for every vendor since time immemorial.

The first major difference is, of course, that once the monthly upkeep is not made, the user loses working access to the native files. That will not happen with a perpetual license.

Secondly, with a perpetual license the user has the choice to NOT update, and keep running the older version indefinitely (or as long as the OS supports that version). This, of course, is one of the major reasons Adobe founded the Digital Serfdom.

It doesn't need to be said that paying $120 USD per year for full-on Photoshop (that's the entire kit and kaboodle, 3D included that used to be in the Extended version) is an outright steal (at least for photographers and creatives; I can't speak for those that need, say, Illustrator). We can thank Thomas Knoll for all that. He actually pulled strings at Adobe to get the sub cost lowered for Photoshop because he thought it was a bit much (and that's mostly true for those of us who are enthusiasts). So Adobe cut a deal where they'd have a special limited-time offer. It became permanent when it was clear that it made them a ton of money.

Sure, to YOU as an individual it is a great deal, and very affordable. And it may be a good deal for many others. But to many others it is not such a great proposal, and those (including myself) would prefer a perpetual license.

The key word, obviously, is CHOICE. No-one complained before Adobe took away the choice: for many becoming a Digital Serf is a great idea; yet for many others it is a repulsive one for various reasons. Before the Digital Serf only option, there was a choice between the two. That is no longer the case.

For the price you pay per year, you'd have to pay for at least eight years just to equal what you would pay outright for CS6 Extended. By then, Photoshop CC would already be light years ahead of it. (Not just in terms of new features; also performance.)

The price paid and perceived value of a product has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Many users and companies would prefer a perpetual license over the Digital Serfdom. Schools all over the world, for example, have been forced to drop Adobe products due to the Digital Serf model (Paris 8 being one example). You might think it is affordable in YOUR particular case - yet, to others the old perpetual licensing model worked in their favour financially. It depends on the given situation.

As an aside, other vendors are getting into the subscription model. Autodesk is doing it with their SketchBook Pro app. They still have a perpetual license, but the writing's on the wall there; you don't get the "new features" support that the sub license has other than technical support. (It sounds a lot like how CS6 is working right now. It gets no new features that CC gets but it's still being supported in the technical field.) Microsoft is doing the same thing for Office.

Merely because other large companies are founding their own Digital Serfdoms, we users would have to abide with that development? That is a classic bandwagon fallacy with a sniff of appealing to authority. The popularity of an idea in the market has absolutely no bearing on its validity. It only goes to show that the Digital Serfdom economy is very attractive to a large software company (for various obvious reasons). However, it will limit the choices of the end user if no option is afforded anymore by allowing for both Digital Serf licenses and perpetual licenses.

I could probably wax poetic about the other image editors but I don't want to make this post too long. (e.g., Somebody tell Corel they can try to be Adobe but they're not Adobe where Photoshop's concerned. Learn to make a UI that doesn't make me want to punch a baby in the face.) 

First of all, that is anecdotal, and dependent on personal choice and experience. I happen to know professionals who swear by CorelDraw, for example, and would not be caught dead with Illustrator. A current student of mine hates Photoshop and loves GIMP. Who are we to tell other people what to love or hate in terms of their software choices?

Anyway, time will tell how this will pan out for Adobe. It certainly opened up the market for alternatives, and Affinity Designer / Photo are only a small part of that movement. Perhaps in ten years time Adobe will be reduced to a wisp of its former glorious self. Perhaps not. Time will tell.  In the meantime I am very happy with the alternatives I am using right now.

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I have not needed a single one of the new "features" (I call them useless bloat)in Photoshop ever since buying a perpetual version of CS6 years ago for not much more than about $110 practically 3 years ago ($219.80 including tax and shipping for both CS5 and CS6.

How is paying a $120 a year tribute to Adobe "a steal"?  Oh, yes of course, Adobe would have been stealing from me all this time and would continue to do so forever and ever, per secula seculorum, ad infinitum!

I find it alternatingly amusing and ludicrous that an Adobe, barely-1,033-useless-points "MVP" (Most Vexatious Peddler?) with a handle like Warunicorn is trying to to convince me that being systematically ripped off by Adobe is a good thing. 

"A steal" indeed it is!  …but it's not a good thing. 

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station_two wrote:

I have not needed a single one of the new "features" (I call them useless bloat)in Photoshop ever since buying a perpetual version of CS6 years ago for not much more than about $110 practically 3 years ago ($219.80 including tax and shipping for both CS5 and CS6.

How is paying a $120 a year tribute to Adobe "a steal"?  Oh, yes of course, Adobe would have been stealing from me all this time and would continue to do so forever and ever, per secula seculorum, ad infinitum!

I find it alternatingly amusing and ludicrous that an Adobe, barely-1,033-useless-points "MVP" (Most Vexatious Peddler?) with a handle like Warunicorn is trying to to convince me that being systematically ripped off by Adobe is a good thing. 

"A steal" indeed it is!  …but it's not a good thing. 

Really?

Really? That's all ya got? lol

My goodness, it's like you're ignoring all the QoL improvements (and some creative). But just for reference's sake, here's a handy-dandy list just for version 2014‌ for users reading this to check out. (There's a link for the first release at the top.) Users can then decide for themselves if it's all "useless bloat." Your opinion doesn't make it fact.

It's a subscription. You're supposed to be paying per secula seculorum, ad infinitum, until you cancel, Adobe folds or the world actually ends (whichever comes first).

And, finally:

Ya close with an insult. That's just bad form, mensch.

I've only been here about three or four years now. I've managed to accrue a little under half of your points in that time. I like to think I'm helping people and they give me some credit in return (and Adobe recognizes me for that effort with the MVP badge). Sooo...you might want to stop with the ad hominem attacks. It's quite rude and a just a tiny bit snobbish as I've seen you do it before to others. I'm not saying you don't help, station, but you might wanna work on that attitude of yours.

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LEGEND ,
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Warunicorn wrote:

…I've only been here about three or four years now. I've managed to accrue a little under half of your points in that time…

My total number of points over the years is well above 5,000 points, Unmensch.  I've had to re-invent my user id every time Adobe deactivates one of my accounts or set it to Read Only.

Here's a February screen-shot composite of just three of my IDs over the years.

AdobeForums_partial_acct_history.png

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LEGEND ,
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Warunicorn wrote:

station_two wrote:

I have not needed a single one of the new "features" (I call them useless bloat)in Photoshop ever since buying a perpetual version of CS6 years ago for not much more than about $110 practically 3 years ago ($219.80 including tax and shipping for both CS5 and CS6.

How is paying a $120 a year tribute to Adobe "a steal"?  Oh, yes of course, Adobe would have been stealing from me all this time and would continue to do so forever and ever, per secula seculorum, ad infinitum!

I find it alternatingly amusing and ludicrous that an Adobe, barely-1,033-useless-points "MVP" (Most Vexatious Peddler?) with a handle like Warunicorn is trying to to convince me that being systematically ripped off by Adobe is a good thing. 

"A steal" indeed it is!  …but it's not a good thing. 

Really?

My goodness, it's like you're ignoring all the QoL improvements (and some creative). … Users can then decide for themselves if it's all "useless bloat." Your opinion doesn't make it fact.

It's a subscription. You're supposed to be paying per secula seculorum, ad infinitum, until you cancel, Adobe folds or the world actually ends (whichever comes first).

And, finally:

Sooo...you might want to stop with the ad hominem attacks. It's quite rude and a just a tiny bit snobbish as I've seen you do it before to others. I'm not saying you don't help, station, but you might wanna work on that attitude of yours.

I see no "QoL improvements" in any of the Cash Cow versions that would be remotely frelevant to my use of Photoshop as my digital darkroom.

You did a good enough job here of describing the horrors of putting your business or your life in the hands of Adobe while paying a monthly tribute for life, therefore there's no need for me to debate that point at all.

Snobbish is fine with me.  Stupid isn't.

You must have some delusions of adequacy that lead you to believe that you have any moral stature or authority to judge me.  I do not perceive you as having either.

You dont need points to become a MVP.

If you are a ACP, UGM, Instructor or Education Leader that qualifies too.

Join the experts

To me, it's very telling that you saw my pointing out your accumulated total of points "as an 'insult'".

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Oh, very coy. You must be a hoot at parties.

I get to use the latest and greatest version of Photoshop, all for a monthly low price (annually, if I so choose). TEH HORRORZ!!!!111!eleventey! Next thing you know, they'll want my soul!

(I wish we had a tinfoil hat icon.)

You are the one who used my MVP badge, points and username as a bridge to insult me, as if my opinion on the matter didn't matter in what amounted to calling me an uneducated rube. So now I'm calling you out on it. Sorry if I fire back but that's just how I roll. Deal.  /shrug

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I don't mind being called names by an uneducated yokel or being barked at by a rabid dog.

As a matter of fact, I don't know what kind of a redneck you might be, and I have even less of an idea where you came up with the "uneducated rube" reference.  I'll just take that as a »Freud'sche Fehlleistung« or Freudian slip.

I'm out of here.  Thank you for your most illustrative reaction(s) to my remarks on my perception of the Adobe Cash Cow model.

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Oh, you're very welcome, oh erudite one.

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The backlash against Adobe's move to the Creative Cloud has helped spur on the wide, and increasingly wider, range of alternatives to Photoshop. Whether you're looking elsewhere because you can't afford the subscription, or you want to support smaller development houses, or you just don't need all the millions of features that come with Photoshop CC, there are a number of options open to you. The 9 best alternatives to Photoshop | Photoshop | Creative Bloq

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paulaj71267751 wrote:

The backlash against Adobe's move to the Creative Cloud has helped spur on the wide, and increasingly wider, range of alternatives to Photoshop. Whether you're looking elsewhere because you can't afford the subscription, or you want to support smaller development houses, or you just don't need all the millions of features that come with Photoshop CC, there are a number of options open to you. The 9 best alternatives to Photoshop | Photoshop | Creative Bloq

I'm not sure what your argument is.  If you are content to use an older version, then why not just keep on using it.  Why would you pay for features that you say you don't need?  Photoshop is a tool for professionals, and they need its continuing development, and tools that streamline their workflow.  To have access to that for just $10 a month is astonishing, and I can't understand how anyone can have issue with.

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>I'm not sure what your argument is.

It's too EXPENSIVE. Adobe has priced me out of the market.

> If you are content to use an older version, then why not just keep on using it.

Because we have to get a new computer as our old one is dying. Since I can't copy over applications I have to buy new software. I am currently happy using my old version of Photoshop but will lose it when we get the new computer so that means I have to buy it again. As I mentioned above I am a senior citizen. I cannot afford to pay $1000 for new software!  I also can't commit to paying by the month for it as I already am struggling to pay for monthly expenses as it is.

>Why would you pay for features that you say you don't need?

I just want to buy something basic that can do what I want IN A BOX NOT IN THE CLOUD where I have to pay by the month.

>Photoshop is a tool for professionals,

I write and illustrate children's books which I self publish. Is that not professional?

>and they need its continuing development, and tools that streamline their workflow.  To have access to that for just $10 a month is astonishing, and I can't understand how anyone can have issue with.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I never said anything about paying $10 per month. I just want to find a software that does the same things my old version of Photoshop does that comes in a BOX and that I don't have to pay for by the month in the cloud.

That's ok. Per my previous post with the links for alternatives I'll look into those and buy one of them.

  

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paulaj71267751 wrote:

Because we have to get a new computer as our old one is dying. Since I can't copy over applications I have to buy new software. I am currently happy using my old version of Photoshop but will lose it when we get the new computer so that means I have to buy it again. As I mentioned above I am a senior citizen. I cannot afford to pay $1000 for new software!  I also can't commit to paying by the month for it as I already am struggling to pay for monthly expenses as it is.

On this part,  you do not copy Photoshop from one computer to another. You install it. All you need is the serial number and it should work.

So if you have the version you are using and the OS you will be running it on, there's a good chance you can continue with your old copy.

Gene

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paulaj71267751 wrote:

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I never said anything about paying $10 per month.

  

The Photoshop Photographers plan also includes Lightroom, and costs just $10 a month.

If you need new camera support, how about Photoshop Elements for $99 outright?  A lot of people are perfectly happy with Elements.

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P.S. Anything I buy has to be for the PC not the Mac. Reason is that my husband hates Macintosh computers. I don't know he does. He just does. Since he is the one buying the computer and I am just "The Wife" I have to go along with it. Such is life! LOL!

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G'day Trevor,

Where are you located? Are you writing from Silly Valley? I am

originally from there (I grew up and went to school in Palo Alto Ca) and

worked over there for 20 years before migrating to Oz due to marrying an

Aussie. I started working as a graphic artist/tech illustrator on the

very first Macintosh Pluses in 1986 at a company called "Stanford

Telecommunications". I have a suspicion that you probably weren't even

born yet at that time! Ha, Ha! 😄

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LEGEND ,
Mar 08, 2016

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‌Yes, Photoshop Elements is worth looking into. $99 USD gets you a perpetual version of it (serial number; works as long as your computer supports it). It also comes with a basic verson of Camera Raw. Give it a try for 30 days and see if it will work for you.

Another suggestion. Get a one-year prepaid card from an authorized reseller for the Photography Plan. You'll be good for a year and you can opt out of entering a credit card for auto renewal.

If you were only to consider Photoshop, it would take over 8 years for the Photography plan to reach the old $1,000 price tag. Chances are, you'd have to upgrade by that time anyway. And after 8 years, you likely wouldn't get a deal for upgrading. So $1,000 again. With the Photography plan comes Lightroom as well as free upgrades.

Anyway, a few options for you.

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 08, 2016

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Thanks very much for this info. It is very helpful!

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LEGEND ,
Mar 08, 2016

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‌Yep! And, yes, as Gene said, there is a good chance your current version of Photoshop would work with a new Windows OS such as Windows 10, though not officially supported. If not directly, possibly in either Windows 8.1 or 7 compatibility mode. What version of Photoshop are you running?

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Mentor ,
Mar 09, 2016

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paulaj71267751 wrote:

>Photoshop is a tool for professionals,

I write and illustrate children's books which I self publish. Is that not professional?

>and they need its continuing development, and tools that streamline their workflow.  To have access to that for just $10 a month is astonishing, and I can't understand how anyone can have issue with.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. I never said anything about paying $10 per month. I just want to find a software that does the same things my old version of Photoshop does that comes in a BOX and that I don't have to pay for by the month in the cloud.

That's ok. Per my previous post with the links for alternatives I'll look into those and buy one of them.

  

For my own work I completely switched from Adobe products to alternatives (I do still have to use Adobe products in classes I teach, though). I had been a loyal user since Photoshop v3! I refuse to become a digital serf in Adobe's Digital Serfdom. I like owning my tools.

If you are on Windows, try a combination of Photoline with Krita. Photoline is as powerful as Photoshop in regards to image editing (in some ways actually more flexible), and only costs $65. The newest version is coming out this week, and even introduces true vector patterns, among other things. Unlike Photoshop Photoline supports real pages, and true full vector support. It offers a better workflow in many ways, in my opinion, and is a perfect replacement for Photoshop. PhotoLine: Image Processing & Design Software

I prefer to work in Photoline now, compared to Photoshop. The layer stack is much more refined - for example, layer masks behave like regular layers (even adjustment layers and layer effects can be applied to layer masks!), a layer opacity of -200 up to +200 is possible, and layers can be virtually cloned and update in real time. It loads PSD files with support for Photoshop smart objects (even Illustrator smart objects can be edited in Photoline!)

Photoline also supports standard Photoshop plugins, loads Photoshop brush libraries and gradients, and so on, and so forth. Two things are missing in Photoline: 3d and video/animation. I use other alternatives, such as Anime Studio, Davinci Resolve, and Fusion. Krita's latest betas introduces animation as well.

One of the best things of Photoline is that it can be hooked up to almost any external applications that can handle either bitmap or vector image data: send your layer to Krita, edit in Krita, and send it back. The result updates automatically in Photoline. Also works with Inkscape. I use Gimp as a plugin now! 🙂

The Photoline developers have been stunningly receptive for improvement and feature requests. Bugs are literally squashed within two~three weeks when a new beta version is released.

Since you are doing illustrations, I urge you to download and try the open source Krita as well. The paint options are far ahead of Photoshop currently, and it is amazing it is freely available to any digital artist. I switched to Krita a year ago for digital painting/drawing, and have not looked back to other illustration/drawing applications (well, I still do use ClipStudio alongside Krita - another one you may want to look into: CLIP STUDIO PAINT | CLIP STUDIO.NET ).

https://krita.org/

The latest alpha of Krita for Windows can be downloaded here:

https://krita.org/item/krita-2-9-11-and-the-second-3-0-alpha-build/

David Revoy uses Krita for his online open source comic "Pepper & Carrot". His Krita brush collections are great.

David Revoy - illustrator, concept-artist

Hope this helps a bit. It can be a difficult transition moving away from Adobe products which you have become accustomed to throughout the years, but I know more and more users who have done so now. More and more, students of mine prefer to use alternatives nowadays.

I am happier now with my workflow than I was when I still used Adobe software three years ago.

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May 20, 2016

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What if I just want Photoshop & Flash...? I'm only going to use these things for the stuff I want to make. And I'm also only doing it for a tumbnail, or just for fun... Fun! \o.o/

And I know that almost all of the people do it for fun.

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I don’t subscribe to Creative Cloud.  Adobe CS6 seems to be the last perpetual license for Adobe products that I’ll ever own.

I’m running a 2009 Quad-core Mac Pro and a 2009 15” Macbook Pro so, I have the CS6 64-bit memory compatibility, with my six-year-old Macs.  I’m not going to have much incentive to upgrade my hardware since my Adobe software migration is at a stand still.  Maybe someday I’ll need to replace my hardware as it fails with age.

Mac OS 10.10x Yosemite has been a nice upgrade these last 12 months.  Perhaps OS 10.11 El Capitan‎ will provide poor compatibility with my aging CS6 apps.

The up and coming generation of creative pros is the big customer for renting CC.  Artists in their 20s and 30s don't find $49.95 per month to be large expense, since paying $69.95 per month for a smart phone plan is no big deal to them.  I'm 54 so, I still see the world through 1990s economics.  I have become as intransigent as my older creative associates who, back in the 2002, would never migrate away from Quark Xpress or Ventura Publisher for the state-of-the-art InDesign CS.

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