I've noticed that in Photoshop CS5, Liquify just works terribly slowly. When I click and drag to distort an image, the image gets distorted sometimes even 10 seconds after I've lifted my hand. Sometimes I have to wait 30-40 seconds for the distortions to happen before I can regain control of Photoshop.
Also, panning is a bit more choppy than in CS4, which annoys me a lot, as it was the case with CS4 compared to CS3, etc... I predict that panning in CS7 will look like a slideshow.
And another thing, when you Flick-Pan, and release the mouse, the canvas flies across the screen, and during that flying animation, in CS4, you could still zoom in and out with the keyboard. In CS5, you have to wait until the canvas has slowed down to a stop to be able to zoom. This is also a strange feature.
Adobe said CS5 will have performance improvements, and I can see filters, adjustments and brushes perform a tiny bit better, but basic things like panning, zooming and liquify got MUCH worse and less responsive, and this is not worth the tradeoff for me, since I use these features very frequently, many times a second.
I use a Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet most of the time, and I noticed that Liquify is much faster (although still too slow for me to use it) when I use my trackpad instead of the pen.
I'm using the Photoshop CS5 trial now, and I have Photoshop CS3 and CS4 both installed on the same computer, so I can tell that CS3 ran much faster, CS4 was a bit slower and CS5 is a LOT slower. I'm using a late 2008 15 inch Unibody MacBook Pro with 9600M / 9400M graphics, 4GB RAM and 2.53 GHz CPU, and speed gets a bit better when using the 9600M.
Here are my questions:
are we there yet?
grrrr trying to work like this is maddening! it adds more time than i can afford.
i'm not even trying. i still can't figure why it would work just fine on my
I've been checking for updates daily. In the meantime had to re-install CS4 just to use the liquify tool. As a photographer and thus retoucher CS5 is actually loosing me money in the amount of time it now takes to finish just one image that requires a little liquifying. VERY dissapointing. I'm frankly shocked its taken this amount of time to fix such a seemingly major issue. Taught a class last night and couldn't even do the liquify demo.
Really looking forward to that year long promised update!
I got notification today that 12.0.4 (I think) will make saving meshes faster. I told hin that ain't the problem, at least not for me. The tool is too slow to be of any use. Maybe CS5.5 will help (unless that IS 12.0.4). Then I guess I am screwed.
Photoshop 12.1/CS5.5 is the same as 12.0.4 with the addition of subscription options.
The only widespread complaint about Liquify in 12.0.3 is that it is slow to save meshes. (other problems were fixed in earlier dot releases)
If you are seeing a different slowdown, then we need details, and you probably need to do some troubleshooting on your local machine (because something about it is different from everyone else's to cause the slowdown).
thew issue that started this thread had nothing to do with the meshes, and
everyone who was chiming in was complaining about how slow the liquify tool
was. this is on a 12GB, 3.06ghz iMac...i think the problem seems to be more
mac-centric than windows...
there was a patch which fixed the original liquify problem, but it didn't fix the mesh. we'll see what .04 fixes.
Just downloaded that patch, problem NOT fixed. Saving the mesh isn't at all my issue but rather the actual tool itself. From the time I make an adjustment eg lift my finger off the mouse (or pen, haven't seen any performance difference between the two) it takes on average 6 full seconds to see any result. This is for one move, so something that would have taken maybe 15 seconds in CS4 now takes several minutes. Fine tune corrections are next to impossible with that kind of wait time.
So, that said, I have all the updates on my machine, as I'm sure most of the people on this thread who are still having the same issue I'm having (not the mesh loading but the tool itself) do as well. I check for updates every day in hopes of this being resolved. I was also recently at a school with 20 machines, all fully updated. All experiencing the same issue. Running a quick google search on this problem yeilds wide spread results of others experiencing the same. This does not lead me to believe its an issue with my individual machine. I'm happy to call tech support to get it resolved, but I don't want to waste two hours if its something integral to the program that just hasn't been addressed as it appears to be (just the amount of people in this thread alone experiencing the problem points to this). I am curious though if there are any PC users on here experiencing the same issue?
The problem manifests the same way for me, i click and drag.. then..i....wait.... click and drag again....and....wait. The lack of responsiveness makes it near impossible to work not only because of the increased time but because I can not see the results of what I am doing live, as I click and drag, so I have to guess. I am having a terrible time getting nice smooth results.
A task that used to take me 5-10 minutes, and was quite fun too, is now tedious, frustrating, and yields a sub-standard result.
I am running a BRAND NEW MacPro desktop machine with 8GB of RAM. There is no reason i should see this behavior when working on a 2048px by 2048px image so yeah... don't tell me it's my computer power, or lack thereof.
I DO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT IF I select a small part of the image to work on and then go into liquify, but this is by no means an acceptable long term solution.
Perhaps Adobe can take the $400 per liscence they are going to rake in for this half-upgrade, and hire some people in to solve this MAJOR issue.
Okay ... I had the problems with the liquify-tool some time ago and solved it my way. The complete re-installing process was not successful. Try to unmount every other drive then the drive you are running photoshop from. Photoshop should swap now the the main-drive only.
If you have NTFS-Drives mounted or running a NAS as iSCSI-Target try to set the filesystem to MacOS.
If you use Paragon NTFS deinstall it.
After every step you should test if the liquify-bug is still there.
Mine was gone after unmounting the NTFS-Drives (but i had Paragon NTFS installed).
Hart-Worx || Photography & Retouch || http://www.hart-worx.com
OMG unmounting one of my external drives fixed it!!!!!!!!
You have just restored the joy to my photoshop work, I am not exageratting. This bug was sucking the joy right out of my retouching work.
Are you by chance using "Paragon NTFS" as well? Any specifics about the driver you needed to unmount to fix it?
i have been mailing adobe several times (had worked as beta-tester for other companies) but they never fixed this bug
Hey Adobe ... Give me a free CS 5.5 Education Version.... I just got you a happy customer
Thanks for the tip.
I de-mounted (proper term?) my external drive and wooohooo problem solved! Now, the issue is that I would love to n
ot have to mount and dismount (better/worse term?) my archive every time I'd like to work on a new image. Is there a way to mount the drive so that it does not effect the program? Perhaps this is what was mentioned previously, but is there a simpler way of stating it so those of us that are only partially techy can understand? This is such a huge breakthrough for me. I've basically shaved hours off processing this job!
Well, now that we know why some people have problems and others don't - we can investigate the code and see what's going on.
Until we know why it is slowing down with external drives and such, we don't have another workaround.
can we link this investigation with the following problem, also with external drive problems. The thread contains a method to reproduce the produce:
No, that issue is not related.
Okay... i spent a lot of time testing tonight, to get myself clear. The liquify-problem can be reproduced by installing Paragon NTFS 8. If the Paragon-NTFS-Driver is loaded into the system the problem appears.
People that need write-access to NTFS-Drives (USB-Stick / Network Filesystem with NTFS / Internal Drives with NTFS) should test out MacFuse. Maybe there is a bug in the paragon-software that could be scripted out in the Photoshop-Code, but even with a fully updated Paragon NTFS 8.0 the problem is still existing.
Side-Effect of deactiviting the Paragon NTFS-driver is a lot more writing performance to my MacOS Filesystem. (System starts faster and swapping is faster in Photoshop (used an SSD for Swapping)).
If you eject every NTFS-Drive out of the system (software-unmount is okay) the paragon-driver deactivates and you have no problems. If you mount an NTFS-Driver while liqufy is active, Photoshop freezes for a time and then the problem is back.
Maybe this helps to investigate some more.
With kindly regards,
Hartmut Nörenberg || http://www.hart-worx.com
For me the fix worked wonderfully. Meshes save and load very quickly. Even faster then in cs4.
BUT there is a NEW PROBLEM, and even greater one, as it reflects the quality of the transformation. On the edge of the picture, there appears a 1 pixel border of something which looks like a uniformization of values in the image. This is terrible news for us. What happens now? Are we to enlarge the after liquify image by one pixel to hide this, retouch it.... quite a terrible fix!
Please check this and let everyone know.
The troubled retoucher