Still no full screen mode in Yosemite

[davidcrickett]

I have seen the discussion since Lion, and the answers, and I will still say: Why no full screen mode in Yosemite? It's against the Apple UI to have the window NOT expanding to full screen, when clicking the green window button—and it's no go to have the dock showing when editing things in photoshop on a 13' MacBook. Well, the answers: You can do full screen mode with Lightroom, so why not with the rest—and don't tell me you can't shift windows or screens or whatever—

We want full screen, and we want it now—it's 2015, and it's Yosemite, soon El Capitan.

[Jeff A Wright]

Moving this discussion to the Photoshop General Discussion forum.

[Benjamin Root]

Not a Mac user, but does tapping F on your keyboard twice work?

[samericksn]

This fixed it for me! Thanks so much!

[Pat481]

It's still puzzling why this 'f' functionality doesn't a) follow macOs guidelines on spaces and b) doesn't trigger when the green maximise button is pressed. It's been so many years. Not the level of polish that I would expect from the company that makes Adobe XD and project Felix.

[Conrad C]

Both Photoshop and Lightroom have full screen mode. In the case of Photoshop at least, it had full screen mode for many years before the Mac did. That's part of the reason it's not working the way you expect: A lot of veteran Photoshop users expect full screen mode to work the way it always has in that application. The OS X version of full screen is less capable than what you can do with full screen in Photoshop or Lightroom, so Adobe made a choice to maintain their full screen mode in their applications.

In Photoshop, the full screen modes are in the View > Screen Mode submenu. Or press F to cycle through each of the three screen modes.

In Lightroom, the full screen modes are in the Window > Screen Mode submenu. Or press Shift+F to cycle through each of the screen modes or press F for the full screen preview.

[al_1]

I'm a 'veteran Photoshop user' since 2.5, and in my opinion I do not believe this to be true. OS X's native full screen mode gets rid of the borders and distractions to an application.

It gives a very clean look which I'm after, as most of the time when retouching I'm in full screen mode with tool palettes 'tabbed' off or hidden.

With the release of 'El Captain' the menu bar drops down nicely in full screen mode when the pointer is directed to the top of the screen. Personally I would love it if Adobe decided the keep all of the functionality of  screen modes within OS X's full screen mode, shifting between applications would be a breeze, I could imagine jumping over the InDesign or Illustrator with a swipe of the trackpad and just carry on...

As to 'A lot of veteran Photoshop users expect full screen mode to work the way it always has in that application.' Look at the change in the healing brush tool, some of us seem to like the new way it functions, others hate it and say it doesn't give accurate results, I would say it's little hit and miss but I like the way it functions, I've reverted back the cloning brush when dealing with delicate textures like noise. It would have been nice to add an extra radial button to keep things as they were if you wanted to. Anyway what I'm saying is Adobe do change things now and again, it can be done.

Adobe, please bring back the Arrange windows icons at the top options bar within Photoshop, it made things so much easier!!

Al

[bobs45858863]

If I understand correctly "full screen mode" in Photoshop and Lightroom are different. Lightroom allows the application to fill the screen and hide the Dock, Photoshop doesn't allow hiding of the Dock unless auto-hide is enabled on the Mac. It seems odd that one application does such a nice job of giving a clean workspace (Lightroom) but Photoshop doesn't have a similar option. Why not have similar full screen modes on the applications with a consistent view across the applications?

Does this need to be raised as a feature request to Adobe?

Thanks,

Bob

[Conrad C]

bobs45858863 wrote:

If I understand correctly "full screen mode" in Photoshop and Lightroom are different. Lightroom allows the application to fill the screen and hide the Dock, Photoshop doesn't allow hiding of the Dock unless auto-hide is enabled on the Mac.

I have the Dock visible with auto-hide off. The Dock isn't covered when I choose View > Full Screen with Menu Bar, but the Photoshop window does cover the Dock and the entire screen when I choose View > Full Screen. This is in Yosemite with Photoshop CC 2015, so maybe it works differently in other versions.

The current situation is:

• Photoshop maintains the two full screen options it's had for around 20 years. It doesn't specifically support OS X Full Screen mode. Illustrator, InDesign, and others have full screen options that are consistent with Photoshop.
• Lightroom, which is much newer, maintains its own three full screen options (Window > Screen Mode), none of which match OS X Full Screen mode. But in OS X El Capitan, the latest version of Lightroom also supports OS X Full Screen mode (Window > Enter Full Screen). So you can now do it either way.

On the subject of a feature request, there's an existing one over at the Photoshop Feedback site (Photoshop/Lightroom: Support for full-screen apps in Mac OSX 10.7 Lion), so you can either vote up that one, or add a new one if that isn't the one you wanted.

[jazzpired]

This is such Bull#%$ from Adobe. The Fullscreen and Framed Layout of Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign are so stupid! What does it take. When using several Monitors in OSX constantly the Dialogs pop over, under or somewhere off the screen or on the wrong screen. The dumb software doesn't register what the context based current screen of action is, especially when I have decided to be in an "Application Frame". I don't get how the new Xd or Acrobat software can have native OSX Fullscreen support, and the more complex softwares still don't. I mean, at least give me an option in the Window Menu or like other Apps do it... when alt-click on the green full-screen button you get the "+", by default its the native OS X full screen. I am extensive OSX spaces user, and Adobe just is always the case of frustration... 

[a_guevara]

Agreed. The dialogs when using multiple monitors are a serious pain. Adobe really needs to step up their game – it's actually unbelievable that such a terrible user experience like this is in all of the key products. Photoshop (and other CC apps) need to recognize which display the window is open on, and not pup up a dialog on the desktop of another monitor (which is often hidden, as that monitor is displaying another workspace).

And as for the native fullscreen mode – this is something that I have been dying for the past 2 years. It is essential to my workflow. The only apps on my machine that break this are Adobe CC. The support in Adobe XD is encouraging, but it desperately needs to be extended to the other apps.

What really irks me is that this is not a terribly complex feature. But Adobe never seems willing to change. Yes, it's always something for users to become accustomed to – but change needs to happen for anything to get better (instead of slowly dying over time). There's a lot that the Adobe CC suite needs to improve (performance and a UI refresh to name a couple).

But this little quirk (not supporting Mac fullscreen) is one of many that has tempted me to find alternatives like Affinity Designer/Photo, or Sketch. It's amazing to me that software that was once strides ahead of anyone else is now lacking in such a simple area. Makes my heart break every time Photoshop gets an update and I see the feature still isn't available.

[alistairchisholm]

This issue applies to the whole Adobe CC Suite, not just Photoshop.

The recent preview release of Adobe Experience Design plays nice with Mac OSX's native window management which suggests it's on the radar going forward but I find it frustrating that such an important UX feature hasn't been given priority where the competition has been offering it for years

[sound_of_the_atom]

It's crazy that Photoshop doesn't automatically hide the dock, but I have a work-around that sort of works. I press the 'F' key twice to go to total fullscreen mode (everything gone, including the dock and toolbars) and then press 'tab' to bring back my layers palette and toolbars. The dock stays gone and I can access most things apart from the menu bar at the top.

I just thought I'd mention it.

[rahult54090242]

Thanks. That's really helpful

[Jim Carnicelli]

I just upgraded from PS CS5 to PS CC. Nice interface overall, but I agree that I'd rather have what's become a familiar user experience where the green maximize button opens a new full-screened space. When I'm using my 27" iMac I just jockey windows around my big screen, but with my MacBook, I prefer to trackpad-swipe my way through multiple spaces for my different programs. Yeah, it'd be nice if the menu stayed visible, given its central importance in PhotoShop, but I wouldn't mind the auto-hide.

If there is debate among users as to which is better, consider offering the user the option in preferences.

[al_1]

Hi Jim,

while updating to a new Mac Pro I came across some rather interesting features OSX has to offer that I had overlooked beforehand;

"Launch System Preferences on your Mac with a click or two, then click on the General icon. General is at the top left of the System Prefs window. Next, click on the checkbox next to the awkwardly named “Automatically hideand show the menu bar” entry."

I have also turned the menu to 'dark mode'. For me this is the cleanest look I can achieve.

I hope this helps!

Al

[danielf16557732]

Yes, there was once a valid case for holding out on adopting native full-screen.  But since then, macOS has resolved many if not all of those issues.  There is no more excuse to not adopt it, and I've been truly dying for this feature for too long

[prometh]

Yup. This is why I still have not purchased CC and am still using CS6. Adobe has made so many stupid mistakes in the past 5 years that I now see them as a bit incompetent.

[Pat481]

CC 2017 and it still doesn't work as expected. So many other pro apps out there put so much care and craft into the ui, and Adobe is certainly capable of world class apps (XD, for example, is stunning), but photoshop, illustrator, aftereffects and indesign are embarrassingly behind. Honestly guys, your market is the fussiest on earth about this stuff, this is the app that designers use to design. Sentiment and user experience isn't easy to measure, but it's important for long term success in software, and you guys are blowing it in 8/10 cases. Don't be the next Blackberry.

[jazzpireddesign]

pathetic! CC 2017 is out, and they still didn't fix any of these problems. I am a hard macOS native full screen and multiple desktop user with several monitors. I cannot be the only CC user having several monitors and using several adobe apps on several screens. Most annoying as every other app I use supports this... not only that - but the most annoying is that the dialog modals that pop are placed randomly on some desktop. I constantly have to go hunt for what dialog may now be open, causing the interaction on the main app-window to fail. And when you swap monitors or disconnect (my laptop from my cinema display) the whole adobe app window is shifted half of the screen, and you cannot grab it to resize and reposition on the screen. I mean come-on!!!! This issue exists since 2013 and I am paying the super expensive monthly (overpriced - since nobody is doing jack sh*) - and still not fixed! WOW!!!

[jazzpireddesign]

PS: I use the "Applicationframe"-View, which pretends to keep all app windows and modals on one desktop. Even that Adobe take on "keeping things together" fails big time - shit is all over the place when using multiple monitors and macOS Spaces!

[bobbing77935163]

Dreadful. I signed in just to post this. It's awful that they remain so stubborn on this. Honestly, the MOMENT any other company comes out with a decent competitor (a la Pixelmator) that does this, I'm off. There's literally no reason for them to not allow fullscreen.

[jazzpireddesign]

totally agreed! Adobe is full of themselves for asking such horrendous monthly amounts. Give me the apps I need - including full-fledge native macOS support - on the apple app store for a competitive reasonable price - willing to pay up to 200 for photoshop - but that's it. - non of this CC-cr%A^P that is nothing but unnecessary surplus. Nobody would sign up for apple id, if they didn't have to.

[filippazaffini]

Even 0.99$ apps on the App Store have this feature. Please consider fixing this in the next CC release.

Thanks,
Filippa

[bobs45858863]

New Photoshop CC release today - still no full-screen mode as we have with Lightroom. Any word on if this will ever change?