Vanishing Point: Can't paste artwork into blue grid

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I found a number of threads in this forum by people with this issue, but none of the solutions have helped me at all. So here I am, asking the same question. At least I brought pictures.

First, the technical stuff: I'm using (an up-to-date) Photoshop CC 2018. I'm on 64-bit Windows via a Dell Core i5 @ 2.8Ghz w/32GB of RAM.

In this project, I am mocking up some new artwork onto one of our walls. Here is the image along with the blue-grid vanishing point buildout:

van-01.png

Here is the sequence of key-presses & clicks that I have taken.

  1. Before Vanishing Point: Copy the artwork to my clipboard
  2. Before Vanishing Point: Create a new, empty layer that I intend to paste the artwork into
  3. Now I formally enter vanishing point mode; the blue grid above is, by default, selected
  4. I CTRL-V to paste my artwork from the clipboard. Instead of pasting, I see this:

van-02.png

Big, fat nothing. After that nothing happens, the info panel at the top reads: "Click+drag in a plane to select an area on that plane. Alt+drag a selection to copy an area to a new destination. Ctrl+drag a selection to fill the area with the source image." Try as I click, I can't put anything there. I have tried a number of different types of artwork.

Due to the nature of this particular project, I can probably get away with just skewing the image, but am very irritated that I can't execute this technique properly since it appears so straightforward.

Any guidance would be much appreciated. Thank you.

I tried that too. I have done this with a completely new, single image with no other layers - and no other fussing about - and it doesn't matter. This functionality straight-bites as far as I can tell. I've watched probably ten tutorials. I think I'm done with this nonsense. Skew it is.

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Vanishing Point: Can't paste artwork into blue grid

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I found a number of threads in this forum by people with this issue, but none of the solutions have helped me at all. So here I am, asking the same question. At least I brought pictures.

First, the technical stuff: I'm using (an up-to-date) Photoshop CC 2018. I'm on 64-bit Windows via a Dell Core i5 @ 2.8Ghz w/32GB of RAM.

In this project, I am mocking up some new artwork onto one of our walls. Here is the image along with the blue-grid vanishing point buildout:

van-01.png

Here is the sequence of key-presses & clicks that I have taken.

  1. Before Vanishing Point: Copy the artwork to my clipboard
  2. Before Vanishing Point: Create a new, empty layer that I intend to paste the artwork into
  3. Now I formally enter vanishing point mode; the blue grid above is, by default, selected
  4. I CTRL-V to paste my artwork from the clipboard. Instead of pasting, I see this:

van-02.png

Big, fat nothing. After that nothing happens, the info panel at the top reads: "Click+drag in a plane to select an area on that plane. Alt+drag a selection to copy an area to a new destination. Ctrl+drag a selection to fill the area with the source image." Try as I click, I can't put anything there. I have tried a number of different types of artwork.

Due to the nature of this particular project, I can probably get away with just skewing the image, but am very irritated that I can't execute this technique properly since it appears so straightforward.

Any guidance would be much appreciated. Thank you.

I tried that too. I have done this with a completely new, single image with no other layers - and no other fussing about - and it doesn't matter. This functionality straight-bites as far as I can tell. I've watched probably ten tutorials. I think I'm done with this nonsense. Skew it is.

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The Vanishing Point grid should be drawn on the background layer and not on the transparent layer.

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Sadly, it doesn't matter if it's a blank layer or a background layer. Nothing pastes regardless.

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Can you not just simply place in your artwork then do a perspective transform on the smart object art layer

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Pasting and then doing a perspective transform sadly is not good enough. I have too little control over the transformation controls and the results always look terrible.

Ironically, using good old fashioned ​Skew​ has rendered the best results. Going to use that I guess.

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If the grid was created using the Background layer, but Cmd+V didn't deposit the image, could the error lie in the Copy phase...your Step 1. Did you copy a flat image or a layered image. Is the to layer an image layer? If Layered, you try it with a flattened file.

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I tried that too. I have done this with a completely new, single image with no other layers - and no other fussing about - and it doesn't matter. This functionality straight-bites as far as I can tell. I've watched probably ten tutorials. I think I'm done with this nonsense. Skew it is.

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Place will create a smart object layer with an object that has all your art image files pixels you should be able to transform that layer over and over again with good results. Warp, Skew, perspective whatever.  Because smart object layers pixels are never changed.  You are always transforming you artworks original pixels.

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Doesn't matter. Smart objects fail just like everything else. Thanks for your help. I've wasted enough time on this and need to move on.

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Your doing something wrong then or you need more pixels in your art work.  The Panorama PSD I placed in smart object has 20MP.

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Main image size: 5312x2988

Inserted Image Size: 1728x2304

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You are turning a portrait into a wide panorama there should be much distortion.  Your artwork should have a wide aspect ratio for that wall.

My image was created from 6 5MP portrait images stitched into a wide 20mp panorama

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I am only placing an image onto that wall. I don't need to fill the whole area. I have previously done this. A few weeks ago. As a proof of concept. What the heck changed between then and now I don't know.

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The grid you show fills the wall. You Art image is taller than it is wide and that is the way it should look on the wall here I placed a 8MP RAW Portrait on that wall a 2:3 aspect ratio.

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Even when I expand the perspective grid to fill the whole vertical space of the image, it still doesn't paste in. This does not seem like a function of image size. As I mentioned, I've watched a ​lot​ of tutorials, many of which were sporting smaller and less 'full' images than we've been talking about.

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If you are going to distort the image you should use Place not paste and you need to understand the Aspect ratio you image has a 3:4 Portrait aspect ratio. On the wall it will be taller then it is wide a little bit wider that the 2:3 Image I posted

You do not need to use vanishing point or any grid you can eye ball it make it look good to you setting a vertical guide or two will help plum it.

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Here I place in a portrait duped the layer a few times and transformed each to a different location so there is a single smart object in four places. For a template. All it take is a single replace content. However, all replacement object need to be the same size as the object in the template for the transforms to work correctly.  Smart object layers transforms are not replaced or modified when the contents is replaced.

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An other way to look at your grid is 10 block high.  You image 3:4 aspect ratio would be 7.5 block wide and 10 blocks high.

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I'm revisiting this because it continues to elude me. Am working on a completely different project with completely different artwork and the problem persists.

I appreciate you telling me all about aspect ratios and what not, but - again - I must note: I can't even get to that. Because when I hit CTRL-V nothing happens. That is the problem. I hit that combo and nothing happens. Forget about whether it fits or not. The core function of 'put the thingy in the upperleft corner (to be dragged into the grid)' - which happens for everyone else (based on all the videos I've watched) does not work for me.

I am actually on to things like ending every other process on my PC just in case there's some weird interaction. But no luck. I have confirmed this problem on both my work and home PC also. It's beyond maddening.

Update: I created a video stepping through my problem.

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If you incest on using vanishing point perhaps you should look at some tutorials.  If you are doing everything right and Photoshop is not working have you tried resetting all Photoshop tools and if that does not fix your problem resetting your Photoshop preferences. Paste should create a floating image in vanishing point you can drag into your vanishing point grit and transform it with the vanishing point transform tool.  Your video is working like you clipboard is empty and nothing gets pasted.  Make sure there is something in the clipboard target a pixel layer the use Crtl or Cmd click in the layers palette on the layer content to select all the layers pixels and have an active selection then do the copy to clipboard.   If I clear my Clipboard   Vanishing point works like you show on my machine.  I was expecting to get a message Clipboard empty or not available like I get in an action that does a paste when the clipboard is empty.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Photoshop+tutorial+vanishing+point&oq=Photoshop+tutorial+vanishing+p...

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As I have stated previously - and numerously - I have watched 6-7 videos about this. Also, I have reset all my preferences (on both home and work machines). I have confirmed, repeatedly, that assets are copied to the clipboard. They simply won't paste in Vanishing Point. Also, I have never once seen that paste error you posted a pic of.

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Did you reset all Photoshop tools.

Using Windows 10 1803 and Photoshop CC 2018 19.1.4 vanishing point works on my dell workstations and my Microsoft Surface Pro 3. Make sure all your device drivers are up to date.  If you still have a problem uninstall  Photoshop. Download Adobe Cleaner and run it then install Photoshop.  See if that  fixes your problem. Use the Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool to solve installation problems

The Paste error I posted was from an action where the clipboard was empty.  Error message like that are a common way Actions and Scripts fail.  As I wrote When my clipboard is empty  vanishing point works the way you show.  I was expecting to get an error message but did not.   Vanishing Point just does what you show.

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Mwarren  wrote

I have confirmed, repeatedly, that assets are copied to the clipboard.

How did you do that? Can you use paste before you enter vanishing point and when you get out of vaniahing point and paste works.

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Yes. I can easily paste before and after using the Vanishing Point window. I should have illustrated that in the video.. But yes. It's clearly on the clipboard but is just not used with VP.

Also: I did not know about the Cleaner Tool. I will do an uninstall, clean, and reinstall just as soon as I have the window (at work). I'll do it first thing on my home machine when I get home. I have kept my Win 10 install up-to-date. Btw, it's worth noting that both my home and work PC's are Dell models.

Thanks Mack.

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Update: Got it to work

I frequent a local Adobe training facility and inquired with my oft-teacher about this problem and pointed him to this thread.

He asked me to just worry about the bitmap, but what I had to do was, specifically, to select with the marquee box (marching ants). So what I did was select the '(bitmap)' version of my graphic and then draw the marquee out around it, then copy, select the empty layer, then paste inside VP and boom: works.

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I don't understand why I can't make it work with smart objects (as you have), but at least I can do it - however problematically. Until this functionality is improved my best bet is to duplicate the layers [that I was going to have as a part of the SO] and then flatten them together. Use that for my VP leaving my source artwork unaffected.

Still doesn't solve the more thorough functionality problem, but it will get me through this project. Thanks.

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It still sounds like your Clipboard was empty or had some other problem.   That is why I asked you to select the layers pixels have the marching ant before you do the copy.   If there is no active selection what pixels would be copied to the clipboard.  The targeted layer would.   If the layer is a smart object layer  What seems to be copied the clipboard is a smart object layer as you can see here when I did a copy paste

I would not expect that one would be able to paste a  smart object layer into a normal empty layer like you are trying to do in vanishing point.  You would need a pixel layer in the clipboard not a smart object layer you had Photoshop copy to the clipboard.  A smart Object layer has an associated object and an associated transform the object has a set of pixels rendered by Photoshop for the object layers content.  These pixels can not be modified by Photoshop tools there can be Smart filters added to a smart object layer.

Indeed with a smart object in the clipboart Vanishing Point works as you show.  I just tested that.

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In Photoshop If I try to paste a smart object layer into an empty layer I get an additional smart object layer added to the layers stack.  However, If I select the smart Object layer pixels and copy them clipboard I can paste those pixels into an empty layer.

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I am sooo close... not there yet, but close. Thanks again Mack. I now realize why I was able to execute this a number of months ago, but not now.

Up to this point, I have been proceeding under the assumption that selecting a layer - and seeing that selection (A) - was the same as selecting a layer and then executing a Select and All from the dropdown menu (B). Since I am new to Vanishing Point, this has eluded me.

Back when I first executed this, I was hacking it together. I didn't really care about my source. As a result, I just selected a portion of the pic, CTRL-C'd, opened up VP, and pasted. No problem.

This time, for both projects, I've done prep-work. Developed separate art sources to be pasted in. As a result, I had clean artwork on their own layers. By approaching this in a more methodical method I had taken a different route toward executing. Anyway, with this in mind, I can now confidently identify the two versions of selecting that I know of (so far):

Perspective Grid Follow-up.png

All this said, I still haven't figured out how to paste Smart Objects. So far, each time I have attempted to do so, the paste has surely happened, but the results are a flattened bitmap.

I would not expect that one would be able to paste a smart object layer into a normal empty layer like you are trying to do in vanishing point. You would need a pixel layer in the clipboard not a smart object layer you had Photoshop copy to the clipboard.  A smart Object layer has an associated object and an associated transform the object has a set of pixels rendered by Photoshop for the object layers content. These pixels can not be modified by Photoshop tools there can be Smart filters added to a smart object layer.

In Photoshop If I try to paste a smart object layer into an empty layer I get an additional smart object layer added to the layers stack.  However, If I select the smart Object layer pixels and copy them clipboard I can paste those pixels into an empty layer.

Typically, if I try to paste a smart object layer into an empty layer, just using PS the way I normally do, I get a second smart object layer. But if I try to paste a smart object layer into an empty layer - via Vanishing Point - the smart object is flattened to a bitmap on that layer. I still can't tell, reading that italicized bit above how I'm supposed to paste a smart object into Vanishing Point so that I can update the SO independently.

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You just do not seem to understand you can not paste a smart object layer you had Photoshop copy to the clipboard and paste the clipboard into a normal empty layer.  It is not possible.   Target the smart object layer then do a select all and the copy all the selected pixels into the clipboard.  Those  Pixels in the clipboard can be pasted onto a normal empty layer in Photoshop or into the empty layer you are using Photoshop filter vanishing point on.

You can Transform a smart object layer like Vanishing Point transforms a  floating Pixel image. You need to do that manually yourself. Not use the filter vanishing point.

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You just do not seem to understand you can not paste a smart object layer you had Photoshop copy to the clipboard and paste the clipboard into a normal empty layer. It is not possible.

Actually, I do understand this. Our preceding exchange demonstrated that. But I think you answered the question here:

You can Transform a smart object layer like Vanishing Point transforms a  floating Pixel image. You need to do that manually yourself. Not use the filter vanishing point.

I just needed to read "No, you can't use Vanishing Point with Smart Objects." I needed to fully explore this and couldn't concretely figure out a Yes or No from your responses. I appreciate you sticking with this. Thanks!

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Hey I had the same problem today and I figured out quite an easy fix. Reading ur long thread I thought u might need it.

basically use the square crop tool and crop ur image, ctrl-c to copy it. try pasting it into a new layer to see if u got it.

now do the same, open up the vanishing point tab, and u should be able to copy to image in with ctrl v.

this solved it for me, i am not a pro at photoshop but it worked.

let me know if it works for u

basically copy the image with crop selection tool rather than copying the layer itself or hitting ctrl-t then copying.

Goodluck! I hope I explained it ok

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Oh wow, a blast from the past. Thank you for your response!

I posted that back in May. I am happy to report that I resolved my Vanishing Point problems. In fact, I dove in and decided to understand as much as I could about the thing. And a few weeks after this issue was resolved I started working on a video. It ate a lot of free time...for the next five months. Anyway, here it is:

I would, of course, love any constructive criticism anyone has. Especially if they can better elucidate a point or, even better, correct an error. Thanks for the input!

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I have been so frustrated cause I knew there had to be some setting that I need to do. THANK THANK this has been driving me crazy.

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thanks man, it worked amazing. 

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You are right. Vanishing point is one of the most annoying, complicated, and self-contradictory filters in all of computer processing. It just took me 30 minutes to paste a simple graphic into a picture.

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That happened to me then I converted the picture to jpeg rather than png and it worked! I'm not sure why or how but maybe try that

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Mwarren, Thank u so much. I was suffering with the same problem since long every time i continue to try a few days then quit. U are the life saver :))) Ur trick worked like a charm. Salute to u. Keep the good work gpoing.

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