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As a newbie with Premiere Elements 2019 in the UK, I think I am making a basic mistake and I would like to clarify if I am going wrong.

I know that there is a lot of existing Adobe info out there, but I'm asking specifically because I want to avoid a mistake and need to be sure.

I want to export a result for use in the UK.   I am UK based.

Could someone please check my questions - relating to my Premiere Elements 2019 product

EXPORTING

If I produce a project, my understanding is that PRE2019 will automatically default the intial project to be a UK setting, being based automatically by PRE2019 on my UK location at program installation time.

Therefore, I assume that if I do a simple export of a finished MP4 file (e.g. example.mp4) for either computer or TV use using the presets of this project,  then it will also be appropriate for the UK - but maybe not other regions such as the USA. In other words the export will work best on UK PAL systems and not NTSC. Is that correct?

I do not know whether exporting to a DVD using the preset 576 or 480 will result in exactly the same result - i.e. the DVD will work best (or only) on UK PAL systems.

I havent bought a DVD for years, and now with these new HD TV's (e.g. 2016-2018) I do not know whether the region thing is still an issue. and whether relevent any more for my exports either as a DVD or MP4.

I would welcome someone straightening me out.

I would like to follow up with a supplementary question regarding exporting to an MP4 using presets and maybe also the Custom settings of the PRE2019 product which is why I wanted to be specific about my UK location.  But this post is me asking for confirmation of some basics in case I'm mistraken.

Thanks

Pete

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Once you started a project you cannot change the settings.

You need to start over:

Press the Change Settings button as show in your last screenshot.

You can also start a new project by dragging the first correct clip into the timeline, but you still need to check if the settings are correct.

Mediainfo tells me its avchd, 1920x1080, 25 fps and interlaced.

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Newbie: how to only produce an export in UK PAL ?

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Hi,
As a newbie with Premiere Elements 2019 in the UK, I think I am making a basic mistake and I would like to clarify if I am going wrong.

I know that there is a lot of existing Adobe info out there, but I'm asking specifically because I want to avoid a mistake and need to be sure.

I want to export a result for use in the UK.   I am UK based.

Could someone please check my questions - relating to my Premiere Elements 2019 product

EXPORTING

If I produce a project, my understanding is that PRE2019 will automatically default the intial project to be a UK setting, being based automatically by PRE2019 on my UK location at program installation time.

Therefore, I assume that if I do a simple export of a finished MP4 file (e.g. example.mp4) for either computer or TV use using the presets of this project,  then it will also be appropriate for the UK - but maybe not other regions such as the USA. In other words the export will work best on UK PAL systems and not NTSC. Is that correct?

I do not know whether exporting to a DVD using the preset 576 or 480 will result in exactly the same result - i.e. the DVD will work best (or only) on UK PAL systems.

I havent bought a DVD for years, and now with these new HD TV's (e.g. 2016-2018) I do not know whether the region thing is still an issue. and whether relevent any more for my exports either as a DVD or MP4.

I would welcome someone straightening me out.

I would like to follow up with a supplementary question regarding exporting to an MP4 using presets and maybe also the Custom settings of the PRE2019 product which is why I wanted to be specific about my UK location.  But this post is me asking for confirmation of some basics in case I'm mistraken.

Thanks

Pete

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Correct answer by Ann Bens | Adobe Community Professional

Once you started a project you cannot change the settings.

You need to start over:

Press the Change Settings button as show in your last screenshot.

You can also start a new project by dragging the first correct clip into the timeline, but you still need to check if the settings are correct.

Mediainfo tells me its avchd, 1920x1080, 25 fps and interlaced.

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Reading this page should answer your questions:  Adjust project settings and presets for Adobe Premiere Elements

What should happen is that your project setting will be established when you put your first PAL video on the timeline.  Once that is done your output will be to PAL standards.  Alternately, you can manual force project settings from the New Project screen.

Do keep in mind that DVDs are old "standard definition" for tube TVs.  They will not look good on new TVs.  The move is to distribute high quality on USB Flash drives, SD cards, YouTube, Vimeo, DropBox, etc.  The newest 2019 version of Premiere Elements has eliminated DVD production on Mac computers.  Blu-Ray production is gone for both Mac and PC computers. 

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Thank you whsprague, much appreciated.

My confusion was aroused when I spotted a seemingly NTSC preset appear when getting the hang of exporting.

As you can see, in my default project, the standard preset for HD1080 1920x1080 shows the preset frame rate of 29.97, which I thought might indicate it is for an NTSC region?

Does this mean I have to create a Custom setting to 25 or 50 fps to make it appropriate for UK  PAL? If so, does this mean somehow I have created a non UK project?  Could you straighten me out please?

Thank  you again.

PetePossible NTSC setting 1.png

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Pete,

Best I can do is say you may have to make a short test project and find out.  I have no way to test PAL here in the USA. 

My understanding is that the PAL vs NTSC issues were almost completely eliminated when we moved away from DVDs and Blu-Rays.  Your screen shows you are burning an MP4 file.  I think those are universal. 

Best quality will come from matching your source.  If you shot at 25, output at 25.  If you shot at 29.97, output at 29.97.

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Thank you.

Really appreciated .

Pete

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If you are seeing 29,97 in the export settings it means your project is also set to 29,97 which is NTSC.

Pal vs Ntsc still exists.

I dont know if your on a large project but if you shot PAL framerate it is best to put it in a PAL project, which means starting over.

Also gathering from your screenshot your footage does not match the resolution: I am seeing black bars on the side.

Post a screenshot of a clip in Mediainfo in treeview here on the forum: MediaInfo windows / MediaInfo Mac

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pal vs ntsc.png

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Thank you Ann,

This has been a good use of my time in the forum here. Thanks everyone.

It seems I was wrong in thinking that the Project defaulted to UK - PAL supposedly being based on the region and country of operating system!  - Oh well.

I am surprised there does not seem to be a visual indication of the project region to show whether UK PAL or US NTSC settings are in use.  If there's a way to tell easily then I'm all ears!

I'be also learned here that its advisable to put a PAL movie source in first in the project which I believe may 'set up the project correctly,'

But I just must be clear in setting the right 'region'... I got that really wrong, and it's important before I look to making stuff to show in the US..

Yes, you are right about the bars. The opening titles were from an old movie. However the rest of the movie was mainly 1920x1080.

The project video actually consisted of a mix of old movie shots, newish movie shots made on a Panasonic movie camera, plus also from an iPad MP4 camera source, plus odd photos and then the FX's in PrE.

This has been my first project completed using PRE2019, and I've learned useful stuff.

The second should hopefully be better.

I've answered your other reply with the MediaInfo

Thanks

Pete

The first clip from the Project is as you established, simply wrong. 

First project clip - Incorrect region.png

The second clip simply using the same clip in a new default project setting is correct.

Second project clip using default project. Correct region.png

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My first project - probably incorrect

Mediainfo :

General

Complete name                            : D:\test\INCORRECT\incorrect project.mp4

Format                                   : MPEG-4

Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2

Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/mp41)

File size                                : 147 MiB

Duration                                 : 38 s 639 ms

Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Overall bit rate                         : 31.9 Mb/s

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:12

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:14

TIM                                      : 00:25:12:23

TSC                                      : 30000

TSZ                                      : 1001

Video

ID                                       : 1

Format                                   : AVC

Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

Format profile                           : Main@L4.2

Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames

Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames

Codec ID                                 : avc1

Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

Duration                                 : 38 s 639 ms

Bit rate                                 : 31.8 Mb/s

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

Frame rate mode                          : Constant

Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS

Standard                                 : NTSC

Color space                              : YUV

Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

Bit depth                                : 8 bits

Scan type                                : Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.511

Stream size                              : 146 MiB (99%)

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:12

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:12

Color range                              : Limited

Color primaries                          : BT.709

Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709

Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio

ID                                       : 2

Format                                   : AAC LC

Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity

Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2

Duration                                 : 38 s 639 ms

Source duration                          : 38 s 677 ms

Bit rate mode                            : Variable

Bit rate                                 : 157 kb/s

Maximum bit rate                         : 250 kb/s

Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

Channel layout                           : L R

Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz

Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)

Compression mode                         : Lossy

Stream size                              : 742 KiB (0%)

Source stream size                       : 743 KiB (0%)

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:12

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 20:37:12

========================================================

Same clip just simply entered into a new project using defaults

General

Complete name                            : D:\test\Correct new project\New default Project. Test clip 001 [1920x1080 H264, 25FPS, AAC@160, 32Mbps Bitrate].mp4

Format                                   : MPEG-4

Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2

Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/mp41)

File size                                : 129 MiB

Duration                                 : 34 s 0 ms

Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Overall bit rate                         : 31.8 Mb/s

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:16

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:17

TIM                                      : 00:00:00:00

TSC                                      : 25

TSZ                                      : 1

Video

ID                                       : 1

Format                                   : AVC

Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

Format profile                           : Main@L4.2

Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames

Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames

Codec ID                                 : avc1

Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding

Duration                                 : 34 s 0 ms

Bit rate                                 : 31.7 Mb/s

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

Frame rate mode                          : Constant

Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS

Standard                                 : PAL

Color space                              : YUV

Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

Bit depth                                : 8 bits

Scan type                                : Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.611

Stream size                              : 128 MiB (99%)

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:16

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:16

Color range                              : Limited

Color primaries                          : BT.709

Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709

Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio

ID                                       : 2

Format                                   : AAC LC

Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity

Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2

Duration                                 : 34 s 0 ms

Source duration                          : 34 s 48 ms

Bit rate mode                            : Variable

Bit rate                                 : 157 kb/s

Maximum bit rate                         : 250 kb/s

Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

Channel layout                           : L R

Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz

Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)

Compression mode                         : Lossy

Stream size                              : 653 KiB (0%)

Source stream size                       : 654 KiB (0%)

Language                                 : English

Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:16

Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-01 19:58:16

=================================================

I can see the entry for NTSC in the first, and the PAL in the second (the default project).

Therefore I am led to the conclusion that somehow I chose or set it to an NTSC setting.  Could this be as simple as when I set it to  29.97fps using the advanced options in Export?

Pete

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I meant post a screenshot of a original clip in Media info.

What is the final destination of your project? disk, flash drive, youtube or ...?

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Thanks Ann

The destination is up to 3 different choices for a widespread family!

  • DVD's
  • USB stick to allow to be transported or used on newer HD TV's with USB slot
  • Youtube (as it is likely to be too large to be allowed on my home website)

I have completed the DVD's and USB sticks (which include different export options).

However,  Youtube (or alternatively putting on my website) is different.  I did notice that there was an export option for YouTube in Premiere Elements for this, but I have no knowledge of useage, but I hope to get it rolling next Wednesday if my friend allows me to upload the movie via his high speed fibre connection.

Pete

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RE I meant post a screenshot of a original clip in Media info.

Is this what you meant - a screendump picture from Premiere Elements in the Export options?

Speech from T.png

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In post 8 you posted a mediainfo screenshot of the end file.

I like to see the same for an original clip (one straight from the camera).

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Thanks Ann

The camera is not with me at the moment.

I need a day or so to get a grab a screenshot frame straight from the camera.

Hope thats ok.

Pete

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You still dont understand my question.

the original clips are somewhere on your computer, run one of them through Mediainfo and post the outcome.

Like this:

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Apologies for my misunderstanding.

I am still doing things for the first time, like MediaInfo mentioned before the earlier post, and if I still have not 'got it right' please let me know.  I appreciate your patience and help Ann.

Pete

MediaInfo of original clip.png

Here is the Tree output of the original  01403.MTS clip in AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM copied from the camera.

General

ID                                       : 1 (0x1)

Complete name                            : D:\CAMCORDER\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\01403.MTS

Format                                   : BDAV

Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video

File size                                : 2.54 GiB

Duration                                 : 1 h 8 min

Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Overall bit rate                         : 5 322 kb/s

Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 18.0 Mb/s

Recorded date                            : 2018-11-03 13:58:10+00:00

Video

ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)

Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)

Format                                   : AVC

Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

Format profile                           : High@L4

Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames

Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes

Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames

Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=12

Codec ID                                 : 27

Duration                                 : 1 h 8 min

Bit rate mode                            : Variable

Bit rate                                 : 4 845 kb/s

Maximum bit rate                         : 16.8 Mb/s

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels

Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS

Color space                              : YUV

Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

Bit depth                                : 8 bits

Scan type                                : Interlaced

Scan type, store method                  : Separated fields

Scan order                               : Top Field First

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.093

Stream size                              : 2.31 GiB (91%)

Audio

ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)

Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)

Format                                   : AC-3

Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3

Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital

Codec ID                                 : 129

Duration                                 : 1 h 8 min

Bit rate mode                            : Constant

Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s

Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

Channel layout                           : L R

Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz

Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)

Bit depth                                : 16 bits

Compression mode                         : Lossy

Delay relative to video                  : -80 ms

Stream size                              : 125 MiB (5%)

Service kind                             : Complete Main

Text

ID                                       : 4608 (0x1200)

Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)

Format                                   : PGS

Codec ID                                 : 144

Duration                                 : 1 h 8 min

Delay relative to video                  : -80 ms

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Got it.

This is what you need to set up:

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Thank you Ann.

Thank you for dealing with my query so fully.

Very much appreciated.

Two quick comments.

1.     How did you determine the setting from the MediaIInfo?

2.     As I understand it, you can't change the basic characteristics of a project once you start.

       Just thought I'd conclude by saying I still am surprised that if I simply choose to start a new project, then I get the NTSC option coming up by default even before starting anything. So it seems I will have to change it every time I start a new project.  This is even after following up another suggestion that vthe solution was to reinstall Premiere Elements.

        Heres a screenshot:

New Project WARNING!  Opens in NTSC.png

Again,thanks

Pete

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Once you started a project you cannot change the settings.

You need to start over:

Press the Change Settings button as show in your last screenshot.

You can also start a new project by dragging the first correct clip into the timeline, but you still need to check if the settings are correct.

Mediainfo tells me its avchd, 1920x1080, 25 fps and interlaced.

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Thanks again

Pete

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