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Why remove Blu ray authering from PE 2018

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Why has Adobe decided to remove Blu ray authoring/burning from PE 2018? - why would I or thousands of other want to commit 1080p @ 35Mbps to a DVD that may depending on length of video only return a poor copy at around 6 to 8 mbps - whom ever the numb nut is that decided this was a good  business move has just put

PE to the bottom of the league for prosumer video editing, I for one will not be purchasing PE 2018 and may even cancel my Photoshop CC account, totally ludicrous to say the least, that any company goes RETRO - if Adobe want PE to be for the little Boys and Girls to post their little silly videos on line then make a decent prosumer package for the enthusiast who don't want the bloated Premiere pro cc or indeed the expense of it.

One disgusted and long time fan of Adobe (but no longer)

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Why remove Blu ray authering from PE 2018

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Why has Adobe decided to remove Blu ray authoring/burning from PE 2018? - why would I or thousands of other want to commit 1080p @ 35Mbps to a DVD that may depending on length of video only return a poor copy at around 6 to 8 mbps - whom ever the numb nut is that decided this was a good  business move has just put

PE to the bottom of the league for prosumer video editing, I for one will not be purchasing PE 2018 and may even cancel my Photoshop CC account, totally ludicrous to say the least, that any company goes RETRO - if Adobe want PE to be for the little Boys and Girls to post their little silly videos on line then make a decent prosumer package for the enthusiast who don't want the bloated Premiere pro cc or indeed the expense of it.

One disgusted and long time fan of Adobe (but no longer)

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This is a user to user forum.  To my knowledge, nobody that makes marketing decisions participates in, or even reads, the posts here. 

I've personally abandon Blu-Rays because I get better results using either thumb drives or putting my completed projects on Vimeo.   Too many in my audience watches on cell phones, tablets or computers.  Too many others still have DVD players and can't play Blu-Rays. 

From Adobe's perspective it may be that there are so few Blu-Ray burners in existence, but I certainly don't know. 

Sorry you are abandoning your investment in what you've learned.

Bill

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To my knowledge you cannot make a menu and put your project on a stick, my audience of which I have many prefers to watch my videos on blu ray on a large format TV, not everybody wants crap downloads on toy phones or even via other means, those who cannot play blu rays on their blu ray players should either update the players firmware or if the machine is so out of date replace it with today’s technology.

Sent from my iPad

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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With due respect, I have moved on to today's technology.  I now shoot 4K, put it on Vimeo, a thumbdrive or both depending on the target viewer. 

I have a BD burner and tried that for awhile.  My target viewers typically lost them after a play or two.  Vimeo keeps everything I leave there.  It is rewarding when a relative goes to my collection to see something current and re-discovers something older. 

As our video capability migrates to 4K recording, editing and viewing, the BD standard is fading.  BD players can't do 4K.  And, although I'm not sure of this, but I think the BD standard is 1080 interlaced not progressive. 

Yes, I miss menus, but actually only used them once.  I did a really long video of family reunion.  As reunion videos can be, it was boring watching start to finish.   I put in a menu so relatives could jump to favorite parts.  It was a huge pain to figure out which relative had a BD player and who needed a DVD.  It took days to produce enough discs. 

Intended with a smile....how do your watch Blu-Rays on your iPad?

In all seriousness, it may be that, for the sake your needed menus, you should stick with Premiere Elements 15 or choose some other software. 

What ever you choose to do, good luck and please have fun making videos!

Bill

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You’ve just made me more determined to come away from Adobe – Until 4K becomes the norm (a while yet I suspect seen as they cannot decide on a standard codec) then I’ll continue with blu ray and the max 50 gb of space I can use, I’m quite satisfied with the quality I can get out of my pro Camcorder & so are my audience – end of story, by the way most of my audience don’t even know what a pen drive is or for that fact what Vimoe is, I shoot for a specialist field not interested on playing with technology of that ilk, most frown when you mention YouTube!!

Regards,

Ray.

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Ray,

I'm sorry you are disappointed with Adobe.  Best of luck with your endeavors.

Bill

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I too am very disappointed that Adobe removed Blu Ray support. They also dropped AVCHD support which I found very handy for burning HD video on inexpensive DVD discs.

I doubt that this take away was planned (i.e., specifications for PE 2018 probably didn’t state removal of the feature) but rather an expedient solution when the deadline to freeze development arrived and the feature didn’t work (or perhaps they didn’t have time to test it.)

Regardless of the business arguments (few folks have Blu Ray players, fewer have burners, media more expensive, etc.), Blu Ray discs are still supported by RedBox, NetFlix , et al.  And, in my case, they are the only way for us very amateur video folks to share HD video with grandparents.

I will report this to Adobe and beg that the feature be reinstated.

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jammin109  wrote

I will report this to Adobe and beg that the feature be reinstated.

The best place to do that might be here:

Feature Request/Bug Report Form

I have put in a request to return Blu-Ray support myself.

Bill

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I’m not sure if I was successful submitting this as a bug or feature request.  I used the “Feature Request and Bug Report Submission Form” link above and was expecting to fill out a structured form (product version, computer environment, etc.)  and receive a tracking number or something to that effect.  Instead, I found myself in the “Photoshop family, problem conversation” area, so added my complaint to an existing thread.

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This all has to do with Adobe not supporting Dolby or also known as ac3 anymore.

Bluray uses ac3 so does AVCHD disks

Adobe Creative Cloud apps use native OS support for Dolby

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Ann+Bens  wrote

This all has to do with Adobe not supporting Dolby or also known as ac3 anymore.

Bluray uses ac3 so does AVCHD disks

Adobe Creative Cloud apps use native OS support for Dolby

Ann,

About the same time I lost interest in making Blu-Ray disks I updated my computer to Windows 10 and my BD burner quit or broke.   Now I can't test a work flow IF I could figure it out. 

Googling suggests using "tsMuxer" to convert a MP4 file to something that "IMGBurn" can put on a BD (if you have a burner). 

Does that work?  Is there a better procedure for Premiere Elements users?  Do Premiere Pro users have the same issue? 

Thanks.

Bill

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No that wont work. Img burn is what is says. Burn an image or iso to disk.

There are some alternatives for Premiere Pro users but I dont know any for Elements.

For those who still want to make BD's should stick to 2015.

With Pro you can make the same as Elements a BD file that consists or two separate files: one for video and one for audio.

Pro users have access to Adobe Encore which converts the audio wave file into ac3 but only in stereo and authors it to disk or image.

For encoding to 5.1 in Premiere Pro there are some expensive plugins.

I still make BD disks. I like to see my travel video on the bookshelf in a nice box.

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Thanks Ann.

It does not seem like there is a good alternative path for BD fans. 

I'm having fun doing my travel video in 4K and putting it on Vimeo for "sharing" and thumb drives for personal viewing.  PrE 2018 is good at making 4K output if the input is also 4K.

Bill

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Here's what I posted in Adobe's Photoshop family, problem conversation” area

Please restore Blu-ray (and AVCHD) authoring and burning to PrE 2018.

I’ve been an enthusiastic PrE user since the very beginning, and always update to the latest version when it becomes available.  My motivations for upgrading are (in order), improved stability and bug fixes,  faster performance, and new features.

However, the latest version, PrE 2018 shocked me when I learned that support for authoring Blu-ray discs was dropped.  Note that I found out the hard way.  I used PrE 2018 to complete a 90 minute movie of my daughter’s wedding. However, when I went to burn Blu-ray discs for the family I realized that Blu-ray support had disappeared.  Dropping a feature like this without mentioning it in the product announcement,  release notes, or read-me file is really unethical for a highly professional company such as Adobe.  Shame on you!  Also, since I just invested in a new Windows desktop for video editing and paid extra for a built in Blu-ray burner (had to purchase the Dell commercial line, rather than their less expensive consumer model), I am particularly annoyed. 

Fortunately, I had kept PrE 15 so I was able to complete my Blu-ray project and keep the family happy.

I realize that Blu-ray isn’t as popular as it used to be, but for us amateur video makers who distribute their work for viewing on large screen HD televisions, it’s really the only practical option.  Distributing to non-tech family members via online (YouTube & Vimeo), or USB memory sticks just doesn’t work for us.  Many in my audience don’t have internet connected “smart” televisions, or, if they do, are challenged to make it work.  But, they do have Blu-ray players and know how to use them as they regularly watch Blu-rays movies from Red Box and Netflix.  Also, they really appreciate having scene menus to quickly locate favorite scenes, especially longer movies (e.g., video yearbooks, weddings, etc).

So, my key requests are:

1.       Restore Blu-ray (and AVCHD) authoring and burning to PrE 2018.

2.       Change your product strategies to promote upward compatibility, so that customers aren’t left high and dry when a new version is release.

3.       Change your business practices so if an existing feature or capability is dropped (for good reason), you

a.       Announce it to the user community in advance

b.       Highlight it in the product information, release notes, read-me, etc.

c.   Provide a “work around”

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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I am guessing BD will not be restored due to the Dolby license.

See post 8.

Premiere Elements users were no the only ones caught by surprise.

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Absolutely agree with the sentiments above.  I just finally gave up on Pinnacle software because of its bugs and freezes (over at least a decade) and was lured to Premier Elements by the promo material and the reputation for reliability.  I find it is so much better than Pinnacle in many respects, and have now re-done a large project that Pinnacle 21 just couldn't reliably complete.  But WOW - no Blu Ray support in Premier Elements, which is what I have to have.  This is just RIDICULOUS AND UNDER-HANDED!  There should be a large label on the product to say "WILL NOT AUTHOR OR BURN BLU RAY DISCS"- but instead it implies that it can do so.  Sure it can send an output file to a blu ray disk as though it is a flash drive, but what is the point of that?  Why would you?  No means of creating menus and chapters etc and will not play on a Blu Ray machine.

As for the option of starting with HD video and finishing up with SD on a DVD, why the hell would you do such a ridiculous thing, and end up with output that is only 25% of the original bit rate.

Pinnacle took away the Blu Ray option a couple of versions back, but because of user pressure, they made it a purchase option for $10, which I paid.  Later versions again they made it available inclusively.

ADOBE, you should be absolutely ashamed and offer refunds to all who come forward for it.  It is not fit for purpose if a video editor designed to handle HD cannot output it to conventional media for same.  Shame.

Brian Muir

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Might want to look at Vegas DVD Architect.

Not cheap but at least you can make your BD.

I still like BD too: looks nice on the shelf and one has a nice menu before starting the movie.

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Jammin, I agree 100%. I was a strong Adobe supporter. Then I purchased 2018 after reading the specs, it sounded like a smart move. Then after spending several hours editing a video from our local theater production, I was very disappointed to find out after all of this work, that Blu Ray and ACHD burning was dropped. I read all of the literature provided by Adobe, and nothing stated that this functionality was removed. My audience remain DVD and Blu-Ray users. Not many have high speed internet in this area. I thought that I would just take the edited video and open in 2015. Guess we all know how that went. I just completed the editing in 2015 and in the process of burning a Blu ray now. I called the supplier that I purchased the software from. No returns on opened software. I share the disappointment in Adobe for not being upfront about all of the changes to 2018.

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I can't believe BD support has been removed from Premiere Elements!!

I just finished working on a 25+ hour project in 2018 only to find out I can't burn it to Bluray.  After finding this thread, I went and reinstalled Premier Elements 14, but of course I can't open the 2018 project file in that version.

I've owned 6 different versions of Elements over the past decade, I guess I'm done.

Some of you dismiss it as no big deal, but here's my use case: A yearly bluray of family videos. Usually 1-2 hours of viewing time with scenes/chapter you can quickly skip to.  Something nice to have on the shelf and something easy to hand to relatives, rather than asking them to download a 10GB lower quality MP4 file.

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